Proving that net torque isn't reliant on point of rotation.

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The discussion centers on demonstrating that net torque is independent of the point of rotation for a horizontal bar subjected to various forces. The calculations provided show how torque is computed using the formula Torque = r * Force * sin(theta) for different positions of the point of rotation. Despite varying the point of rotation, the net torque values calculated for two scenarios indicate that the overall effect remains consistent. The user expresses confusion about the calculations and seeks clarification on how the distances and angles relate to the forces acting on the bar. A visual diagram is suggested to aid understanding of the torque relationships.
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Homework Statement


So we have a horizontal bar. Distance = r Forces = F
All numbers remain constant with the exception of the distance, denoted as r(set)()

Length of bar = 1m

F1 = 10N r1-1 = 0m r2-1 = .25m (behind the point of rotation)
F2 = 5N r1-2 = 0.5m r2-2 = .25m (ahead of the point of rotation)
F3 = 20N r1-3 = 1.0m r2-3 = .75m (ahead)
F4 = 40N r1-4 = 0.75m r2-4 = .50m (ahead)

Theta 1 = 30 degrees clockwise from horizontal (South of east)
Theta 2 = 90 degrees, perpendicular, counterclockwise from horizontal (North)
Theta 3 = 60 degrees counterclockwise from horizontal (North of east)
Theta 4 = 90 degrees perpendicular, clockwise from the horizontal (south)

Essentially, with the first problem, the point of rotation is at the very edge, on the left. The second, it's shifted to the right .25m.

Homework Equations


Torque = r*Force*sin(theta)

The Attempt at a Solution


T1-1 = 0*(10) * sin(30) = 0
T1-2 = .5 *(5) * sin(90) = 2.5 (ccw)
T1-3 = 1*(20) * sin(60) = 17.32 (ccw)
T1-4 = .75 * (40) * sin (90) = 30 (cw)

T1net = 0 - 2.5 - 17.32 + 30 = 10.17

T2-1 = .25 * (10) * sin(30) = 1.25 (ccw)
T2-2 = .25 *(5) * sin(90) = 1.25 (ccw)
T2-3 = .75 * (20) * sin(60) = 12.99 (ccw)
T2-4 = .50 * (40) * sin (90) = 20 (cw)

T2net = -1.25 - 1.25 - 12.99 + 20 = 4.5

I can see logically why point of rotation doesn't have an effect on Net Torque, but I think I'm doing something wrong with the calculations.
 
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You need to explain how all these distances and angles relate to the bar and the force. A diagram would be good.
 
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