What is the tension in part GH?

In summary, the conversation discusses the calculation of tension and the role of a spring in a system involving masses and gravity. The equations and concepts of force, acceleration, and free body diagrams are brought up in the conversation to determine the tensions in different parts of the system. The tension in the spring is also discussed, with the understanding that it does not cancel out the mass of 5kg, but rather affects the system in a different way.
  • #36
Suyash Singh said:
on 1kg left side,
a=T-T'-g
on 1 kg right side,
a=-T+g
on 2kg right side,
2a=-T-T'+2g
This is not what I get. Using the symbols and diagram in your post #8, I corresponding equations get are:

$$a=T-5g-g$$
$$a=T'-T+g$$
$$2a=-T'+2g$$

Do you see where T is not acting on the 2 kg mass, only T'?
Do you see where T' is acting on the 1 kg mass on the right?
Do you see where T' is not acting on the 1 kg mass on the left, but 5g is (the force exerted by the spring)?
 
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Chestermiller said:
This is not what I get. Using the symbols and diagram in your post #8, I corresponding equations get are:

$$a=T-5g-g$$
$$a=T'-T+g$$
$$2a=-T'+2g$$

Do you see where T is not acting on the 2 kg mass, only T'?
Do you see where T' is acting on the 1 kg mass on the right?
Do you see where T' is not acting on the 1 kg mass on the left, but 5g is (the force exerted by the spring)?
oh ok i understand now

1 kg mass on left,
T up, 5g down ,g down
a=T-5g-g

1 kg on right,
2g down , 1g down, T up
a=2g+g-T

2 kg right,
T' up,2g down
2a=-T'+2g

second equation is not matching
 
  • #38
Suyash Singh said:
1 kg on right,
2g down , 1g down, T up
a=2g+g-T

2g down , 1g down, T up
No. T' down, 1g down, T up
 
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Chestermiller said:
2g down , 1g down, T up
No. T' down, 1g down, T up
a=T'+g-T
 
  • #40
Suyash Singh said:
a=T'+g-T
Good. Now, add the three equations together. What do you get?
 
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  • #41
Chestermiller said:
Good. Now, add the three equations together. What do you get?
4a=T-5g-g+T'+g-T-T'+2g
4a=-6g+3g
a=-3g/4
 
  • #42
Suyash Singh said:
4a=T-5g-g+T'+g-T-T'+2g
4a=-6g+3g
a=-3g/4

from equation 1
a=T-6g
T=-3g/4+6g
T=21g/4
 
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