Scattering Amplitude for Many Particles (Born Approximation)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the scattering amplitude for multiple atoms using the Born approximation. The original poster presents a problem involving four atoms positioned at the corners of a square and two atoms separated by a distance d, seeking clarification on the correct formulation of the scattering amplitude.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the total scattering amplitude for the configuration of four atoms and questions the presence of a factor of √2 in the denominator of the expected solution. They also explore the scattering amplitude for two atoms and express uncertainty about the mathematical derivation leading to their expected result.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaged in examining the calculations related to the dot product and its implications for the scattering amplitude. There is an ongoing debate about the correctness of the factors involved in the solutions, with some participants suggesting that the original poster's interpretation may differ from the expected results.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are focused on the mathematical relationships involved in the scattering amplitude without reaching a consensus on the correct factors.

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Homework Statement



Given that the scattering amplitude off of a single atom is f_{1}(\vec{q}), find the scattering amplitude for 1) four atoms each placed in the corner of a square of length a, and 2) two atoms a distance d apart

Homework Equations



The total scattering amplitude can be written as

f_{total}(\vec{q})=f_{1}(\vec{q})\sum_{i=1}^{n}e^{-i(\vec{q}\cdot \vec{r}_{i})}

where \vec{r}_{i} is a vector that points from the origin to a particle.

The Attempt at a Solution



For the square of side a, I place the origin at the center and assume the particles are in the xy plane. That means particle 1 (in quadrant 1) would be at the location (a/2,a/2), particle 2 would be at (-a/2,a/2), particle 3 would be at (-a/2,-a/2), and particle 4 would be at (a/2,-a/2). The sum is then

\sum_{i=1}^{4}e^{-i(\vec{q}\cdot \vec{r}_{i})} <br /> = e^{-i(q_{x}(\frac{a}{2})+q_{y}(\frac{a}{2}))}+e^{-i(q_{x}(\frac{-a}{2})+q_{y}(\frac{a}{2}))}+e^{-i(q_{x}(\frac{-a}{2})+q_{y}(\frac{-a}{2}))}+e^{-i(q_{x}(\frac{a}{2})+q_{y}(\frac{-a}{2}))}<br /> =4\cos(\frac{a}{2}q_{x})\cos(\frac{a}{2}q_{y})

The problem is that according to the solution, there should be √2 in the denominator instead of 2. Can anyone see where I am going wrong?

I also know that for a cube of length a with a particle at each corner, the scattering amplitude is

f_{total}(\vec{q})=8\cos(\frac{a}{2}q_{x})\cos(\frac{a}{2}q_{y}) \cos(\frac{a}{2}q_{z})

where now 2 in the denominator is correct. So, if there is any pattern, I would expect the scattering amplitude for the the 2 atoms a distance d apart (on the x axis) to look something like

f_{total}(\vec{q})=2\cos(\frac{d}{2^{\frac{1}{4}}}q_{x})

If this is correct, I can't get this to fall out of the math. Can anyone help?
 
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The 1/√2 comes from the dot product. Remember that a\bulletr = |a|*|r|*Cos(θ).
 
jonnynuke said:
The 1/√2 comes from the dot product. Remember that a\bulletr = |a|*|r|*Cos(θ).

I'm well aware of that. I calculated the dot product above in component form: I resolved q into x and y components and the vector r into its components for eacf particle. Particle 1 had a x component of a/2 and a y component of a/2, particle 2 etc. Calculating the dot product your way does not allow one to resolve q into its components, as it is in the supposed answer.
 
Rubiss said:
I'm well aware of that. I calculated the dot product above in component form: I resolved q into x and y components and the vector r into its components for eacf particle. Particle 1 had a x component of a/2 and a y component of a/2, particle 2 etc. Calculating the dot product your way does not allow one to resolve q into its components, as it is in the supposed answer.

You're right, and actually I believe the answer should have a factor of 2, not square root of 2. Solving the two atom problem gives me a factor of 2 in the denominator and not square or quartic root of 2. Perhaps the solutions are incorrect?
 

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