Setting Up Lagrangian, David Morin 6.25

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The discussion focuses on setting up the Lagrangian for a rigid "T" system with a mass sliding along a rod, pivoted at the origin and rotating with a constant frequency ω. Participants identify issues with the initial expressions for kinetic and potential energy, suggesting corrections to include the moment of inertia and proper velocity components. The correct kinetic energy should incorporate both rotational and translational motion, while potential energy needs to account for the spring's behavior. The special value of ω is hinted to be significant in relation to the system's dynamics. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately defining the Lagrangian to solve for the mass's position over time.
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Homework Statement



A rigid “T” consists of a long rod glued perpendicular to another rod of length l that is pivoted at the origin. The T rotates around in a horizontal plane with constant frequency ω. A mass m is free to slide along the long rod and is connected to the intersection of the rods by a spring with spring constant k and equilibrium length zero. Find r(t), where r is the position of the mass along the long rod. There is a special value of ω; what is it, and why is it special? Figure 6.27 in David Morin Classical Mechanics

Homework Equations


L = T - V

The Attempt at a Solution



I am having trouble setting up the Lagrangian for this system so that it is in appropriate coordinate system.

So far T = ½mv^2 + ½ω^2 + ½kx^2

V = -kx - mghsin(ωt)
 
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Your expression for the Lagrangian is wrong. I think that the kinetic energy term should be:
(1/2)Iω2 + (1/2)mv2 and the potential energy should be
-(1/2)kr2. I is the moment of inertia of the rod and v is the velocity of the mass in the horizontal plane. I suggest writing the velocity in terms of the rotational angle and the x and y components in the plane, i.e.
x = rcos(ϑ), y = rsin(ϑ),
dx/dt = -rdϑ/dt sin(ϑ) +dr/dtcos(ϑ),
dy/dt =rdϑ/dt + dr/dtsin(ϑ),
and v2=((dx/dt)2 + (dy/dt)2)
 
okay thanks! Except l is changing with time as well based on where the mass is on the rod, so l = sqrt(l2 + r2)
 
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