Show what the magnitude of induced emf

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The discussion revolves around calculating the magnitude of induced electromotive force (emf) in a magnetic field defined by a specific mathematical expression. The context involves integrating a magnetic field over a circular path in a defined plane.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the correct expression for the magnetic field component Bz and the integration process in polar coordinates. There are questions about the limits of integration and how to handle multiple varying variables in the integral.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the integration limits and the proper form of the magnetic field. There is ongoing exploration of how to manage the variables involved in the integration process, with no clear consensus yet on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential confusion regarding the coordinate system to use, with suggestions to consider cylindrical coordinates instead of spherical coordinates, as well as the implications of time and angular variables in the integration.

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Someone who knows what they are talking about: Show what the magnitude of induced emf

Homework Statement



Consider a magnetic field B = K(x3z2,0, -x2z3)sinωt in the region of interest, where K and ω are positive constants and t is variable time. Show that the magnitude of the induced emf around a circle R in the plane z = a with its center at x = 0, y = 0, z = a is:
ε = (K/4)∏a3R4ωcosωt

Homework Equations



Fluxb = ∫B . dA

The Attempt at a Solution



Since the normal vector points in the k direction, we only have to worry about Bz.

∫Bzdydx. So -∫∫(sinwt)x2a3dydx.

The make the change to polar:

-aK3∫∫(sinwt)(rcosθ)2r dr dθ = -(K/4)a3R4∫cosθsin(wt) dθ.

This doesn't get me anywhere. I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be integrating over, which is probably why I'm stuck.
 
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Hi auk411! :smile:

Let's start with Bz.
Can you write it down separately?
It seems you did not copy it correctly.

Secondly you did not bring the constant out of the integral properly.

Furthermore in polar coordinates you would integrate r from 0 to R, and theta from 0 to 2pi.

And for the tip: rewrite (cosθ)2 using cos2θ.
 
I like Serena said:
Hi auk411! :smile:

Let's start with Bz.
Can you write it down separately?
It seems you did not copy it correctly.

Secondly you did not bring the constant out of the integral properly.

Furthermore in polar coordinates you would integrate r from 0 to R, and theta from 0 to 2pi.

And for the tip: rewrite (cosθ)2 using cos2θ.

(cosθ)2 using cos2θ.[/QUOTE] ... huh, what trig identity are you using.

this still doesn't answer the most pressing question. t varies, theta varies and r varies. we have 3 varying variables in a DOUBLE integral. I see no way to reduce them to two. How do I get around this.
 
First things first.
You appear to have skipped my question, so I'll answer it myself:

Bz = -Kx2a3sinωt

This is not what you used.

auk411 said:
(cosθ)2 using cos2θ. ... huh, what trig identity are you using.

cos(2θ) = 2 cos2θ - 1


auk411 said:
this still doesn't answer the most pressing question. t varies, theta varies and r varies. we have 3 varying variables in a DOUBLE integral. I see no way to reduce them to two. How do I get around this.

No, you have 2 variables.
You appear to be thinking spherical coordinates, but you should be thinking in cylindrical coordinates.

z is constant at z=a.
Only the other 2 vary.
 

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