Simple Harmonic Oscillator Help

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The discussion focuses on solving a problem related to a simple harmonic oscillator where a particle oscillates between two points with a given acceleration formula. The user attempts to derive the motion equations but gets stuck at a specific manipulation involving velocity. Suggestions include redefining the variable to simplify the equation and using trigonometric substitution to find the solution. Additionally, it's noted that the values of the constant k and the velocity at a specific displacement can be determined without fully solving the differential equation. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the underlying principles rather than getting lost in complex manipulations.
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Homework Statement



A particle oscillates between the points x = 40mm and x = 160mm with an acceleration a = k(100-x) where k is a constant. The velocity of the particle is 18mm/s when x=100 and zero at x = 40mm and x = 160mm. Determine a) the value of hte constant k, b) the velocity when x = 120mm

Homework Equations



a = k(100-x)

The Attempt at a Solution



This looked like a simple harmonic oscillator to me.

So I went:

a = 100k - kx

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = 100k - kx
Define:
\dot x = \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}
Then Observe:
\frac{\mathrm{d}^2 x}{\mathrm{d} t^2} = \ddot x = \frac{\mathrm{d}\dot {x}}{\mathrm{d}t}\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}x}=\frac{\mathrm{d}\dot {x}}{\mathrm{d}x}\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}=\frac{\mathrm{d}\dot{x}}{\mathrm{d}x}\dot {x}
Then substitute:
\frac{d\dot x}{dx}\dot x = 100k-kx

d\dot x = (100k-kx)dx

\int \dot x d\dot x = \int (100k-kx)dx

\dot x^2 = 50kx - kx^2 + c

I got that far in the manipulation, then I got stuck. Where do i go from here or what have I done wrong? My current approach is to solve for the differential then differentiate to get an equation for the velocity. Is there a better approach?
 
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noodle_snacks said:
This looked like a simple harmonic oscillator to me.

So I went:

a = 100k - kx

\frac{d^2x}{dt^2} = 100k - kx
Define:
\dot x = \frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}
Then Observe:
\frac{\mathrm{d}^2 x}{\mathrm{d} t^2} = \ddot x = \frac{\mathrm{d}\dot {x}}{\mathrm{d}t}\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}x}=\frac{\mathrm{d}\dot {x}}{\mathrm{d}x}\frac{\mathrm{d}x}{\mathrm{d}t}=\frac{\mathrm{d}\dot{x}}{\mathrm{d}x}\dot {x}
Then substitute:
\frac{d\dot x}{dx}\dot x = 100k-kx

d\dot x = (100k-kx)dx

\int \dot x d\dot x = \int (100k-kx)dx

\dot x^2 = 50kx - kx^2 + c

I got that far in the manipulation, then I got stuck. Where do i go from here or what have I done wrong? My current approach is to solve for the differential then differentiate to get an equation for the velocity. Is there a better approach?

Hi noodle_snacks! Welcome to PF! :smile:

hmm … a bit long-winded …

I'd have started by saying "Let y = x - 100"

Then that gives you y'' = -ky, which you may be able to solve on sight.

If not, then continue y''y' = -kyy', and so on.

It isn't any better … but it is easier! :biggrin:

You got stuck at:
\dot x^2 = 50kx - kx^2 + c

So square-root it, and you get dx/√(...) = constant, and you can use trigonometric substitution to solve that. :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
So square-root it, and you get dx/√(...) = constant, and you can use trigonometric substitution to solve that. :smile:
Just to point out here that there is no need to actually solve your final differential equation. The question only asks you to determine the value of k and the value of the velocity for a given displacement, both of which can be done by just plugging numbers into the ODE without actually solving it.
 
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