Simple Harmonic Oscillator Problem

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a mass oscillating on a Slinky, where the position is given by the equation 18.5 cm cos[18.0 s^-1 t]. The correct formula for speed, v(t) = -Aωsin(ωt + θ), was applied, but the user initially misinterpreted the units and the phase term. After clarification, it was confirmed that the argument of the cosine function is dimensionless, resolving the confusion about the units. The user calculated a velocity of -65.1 cm/s, which is correct, but noted that speed, being the magnitude, is always positive. The discussion highlights the importance of accurately stating mathematical problems to avoid confusion.
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Homework Statement



The position of a mass that is oscillating on a Slinky (which acts as a simple harmonic oscillator) is given by 18.5 cm cos[ 18.0 s-1t]. What is the speed of the mass when t = 0.360 s?

Homework Equations


x(t)=Acos(ωt+θ)
v(t)=-Aωsin(ωt+θ)


The Attempt at a Solution



I used the formula, v(t)=-Aωsin(ωt+θ) because you basically have everything you need such as:
A=18.5cm
ω=18.0s^-1
t=0.360s

What I get is:
v(0.360)=-(18.5cm)(18.0)sin(18.0*0.360)
to get -65.1cm/s
which isn't the right answer.
Please tell me where I went wrong!
 
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Speed is never negative.
 
Hibbs said:

Homework Statement



The position of a mass that is oscillating on a Slinky (which acts as a simple harmonic oscillator) is given by 18.5 cm cos[ 18.0 s-1t]. What is the speed of the mass when t = 0.360 s?

The highlighted formula makes little sense to me. First, the argument of the cos must be dimensionless but here it looks like it's time. 18.0 s must be the phase term but what's with the s? Is 18.0 in radians, deg or ? The "1" in front of t must be √(k/m), k = spring const. & m = mass, aka ω. The phase is due to the fact that this mass had initial velocity and displacement. Anyway, no way do I see that ω = 18.0.

Weird! I guess you could go

x = 18.5cos(18 - t) cm
x' = -18.5sin(18 - t) cm/s since I guess ω = 1 rad/s;
so x'(t=0.36) = -18.5sin(18 - 0.36) = -18.5sin(17.64) cm/s.

BTW v can be negative. Speed can't.
 
Hibbs said:

Homework Statement



The position of a mass that is oscillating on a Slinky (which acts as a simple harmonic oscillator) is given by 18.5 cm cos[ 18.0 s-1t]. What is the speed of the mass when t = 0.360 s?

Homework Equations


x(t)=Acos(ωt+θ)
v(t)=-Aωsin(ωt+θ)


The Attempt at a Solution



I used the formula, v(t)=-Aωsin(ωt+θ) because you basically have everything you need such as:
A=18.5cm
ω=18.0s^-1
t=0.360s

What I get is:
v(0.360)=-(18.5cm)(18.0)sin(18.0*0.360)
to get -65.1cm/s
which isn't the right answer.
Please tell me where I went wrong!

v=-65.1 cm/s is the velocity. The speed is magnitude of velocity.

ehild
 
rude man said:
The highlighted formula makes little sense to me. First, the argument of the cos must be dimensionless but here it looks like it's time.

I believe the formula is just misformatted and is intended to be \cos(18s^{-1}\times t) - so there is no problem with the units.
 
Thanks a lot! I got it!
 
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Borek said:
I believe the formula is just misformatted and is intended to be \cos(18s^{-1}\times t) - so there is no problem with the units.

OK. What can be done to get the OPs to accurately state the problem, I wonder in my oft leisure moments ...
 

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