Simple kinematics with friction

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The discussion revolves around calculating the final velocity of the center of mass of a system with two blocks on a frictionless surface, where friction exists between the blocks. The first method presented involves using kinematic equations and considers the effect of friction, while the second method simplifies the calculation by focusing on the net force acting on the system. There is confusion regarding the correct expression for acceleration, specifically whether it should be a = (F/m) - μkg or a = F/(m - μkg). Participants seek clarification on the validity of both methods and how they might relate to each other. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying physics principles in kinematics with friction.
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Homework Statement


A stack of two blocks sits on a frictionless surface; however, between the two blocks is a kinetic coefficient of friction μk. External force F is applied to the top block. During the time the force is applied, the top block is displaced by x1, and the bottom block is displaced by x2. Assume enough force is applied that x1 > x2. What is the final velocity of the center of mass of the system in terms of the values above and g?

Homework Equations


Fnet = ma and the standard kinematics equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Since force is constant, acceleration is constant and x1 = 1/2at2 where a = F/m - ukg. Solving for t, we get t = √(2x1/(F/m - ukg). Also, vfinal = 2vavg = 2 * (x1/t + x2/t) / 2 = something with uk and g in it.

The smarter method is just to use F = ma and acm = F/2m. The final position of the center of mass is x1+x2/2 and using v2f - v2i = 2ad we get vcm = √F/2m * (x1 + x2) which doesn't involve uk or g at all.

I'm wondering whether there's a the top method is wrong or if there's a simplification step that would link the two answers.
 
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For me, the 2nd method is totally fine.

For the 1st method, can you explain whether it is a=(F/m)-ukg or it is a=F/(m-ukg)?
 
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