Simple pendulum in an electric field

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a simple pendulum placed in a uniform electric field, requiring the determination of the electric field's magnitude and direction based on given parameters such as length, mass, charge, and period of the pendulum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of the provided direction of the electric field and explore the concept of effective gravity in relation to the pendulum's motion. There is consideration of using algebraic methods to relate forces acting on the pendulum.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing insights on the relationship between gravitational and electric forces. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of effective acceleration and its implications for the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the necessity of finding the direction of the electric field when it is already specified. There is also mention of the complexity of writing differential equations for the pendulum's motion.

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Homework Statement



A simple pendulum of length (1.0m) and mass (5.0*10^-3 kg) is placed in a uniform electric field that is directed vertically upward. The bob has a charge (-8*10^-6 C). The period of the pendulum is (1.2 s). What are the magnitude and direction of the electric field?


Homework Equations



T=2*Pi*sqrt(L/g)

F=q*E

Maybe F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution



I'm assuming the question was just being redundant since it provided the direction. Lacking a great deal of knowledge about pendulums, I at first assumed that g in the period equation could be replaced by a generic acceleration, then using the fact that the net vertical force (ignoring tension since if g were the net acceleration under regular circumstances, it would also ignore tension) is equal to the sum of gravity and coulomb force, go through a bunch of algebra to solve for the magnitude of E. I don't know if that's correct...

Otherwise, I'd imagine writing out some kind of DE would make it very complex. I could just use a few hints as to what I should do, or maybe some kind of primer on pendulums in general. Thank you very much.
 
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I am not sure why you are asked to find the direction of the electric when you are told that it is directed "vertically upward". Setting that aside, yes you can calculate the effective acceleration of gravity, i.e. the vector sum of 9.81 m/s2 down and the acceleration due to the electric field (qE/m in what direction?) and from that deduce the magnitude of the electric field.
 
kuruman said:
I am not sure why you are asked to find the direction of the electric when you are told that it is directed "vertically upward". Setting that aside, yes you can calculate the effective acceleration of gravity, i.e. the vector sum of 9.81 m/s2 down and the acceleration due to the electric field (qE/m in what direction?) and from that deduce the magnitude of the electric field.


So it's really as simple as the algebraic method I did at first? g in the period equation is just "effective gravity?"

I had come up with something on the order of 104 N/C, which seemed like a fairly reasonable strength electric field. I appreciate your response, since I was about ready to resign myself to not getting a response. heh
 
Apphysicist said:
So it's really as simple as the algebraic method I did at first? g in the period equation is just "effective gravity?"
Yes, it's that simple. The pendulum bob cannot tell that the force it experiences is just gravity or the vector sum of two or more forces.
 

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