Simplify the expression -- Electric field in a capacitor

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The discussion revolves around calculating the electric potential and electric field in a capacitor with a metal strip inserted between two plates. The original poster seeks to simplify an expression for the potential and understand the implications of certain terms in the context of the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the simplification of the potential expression, questioning how certain terms behave under specific conditions, particularly when considering the limit of ##x>>a##. There is an inquiry into the significance of the expression (1 - (-1)n) and its impact on the terms of the series.

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Participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions and exploring the implications of specific terms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the cancellation of terms based on their parity, but there remains uncertainty about the broader implications of these simplifications.

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There is an indication that the original poster may not have all the necessary context or information to fully resolve their questions, as they express a need for further clarification on the relationship between the simplifications and the condition ##x>>a##.

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Homework Statement


Between two metal plates a metal strip is inserted as shown on the figure.
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a) Calculate the electric potential anywhere inside the capacitor.
b) Simplifly ##U(x,y)## for ##x>>a##.
c) Calculate the electric field in the middle of the capactior.

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The Attempt at a Solution



a) Ok, since we have no other charges in the capacitor, than ##\nabla ^2 U=0##. In kartezian coordinates this means that ##U(x,y)=\sum _m (A_me^{-k_mx}+B_me^{k_mx})(Csin(k_my)+Dcos(k_my))##.

Using boundary conditions
##U(0,y)=U_0## and
##U(x,0)=0## and
##U(x,a)=0## we find out that

##U(x,y)=\sum _{n=1} ^{\infty}\frac{2U_0}{n\pi }(1-(-1)^n)e^{-\frac{n\pi}{a}x}\sin(\frac{n\pi }{a}y)##

b) The result is that out of the sum only ##n=1## survives, therefore ##U(x,y)=\frac{4U_0}{\pi }e^{-\frac{\pi}{a}x}\sin(\frac{\pi }{a}y)##.

I am having some troubles understanding this. Could anybody please try to explain how do I get this result? o_O

c)

##U(x,a/2)=\sum _{n=1} ^{\infty}\frac{2U_0}{n\pi }(1-(-1)^n)e^{-\frac{n\pi}{a}x}\sin(\frac{n\pi }{2})##

##\vec E=-\nabla U(x,a/2)=\sum _{n=1} ^{\infty}\frac{2U_0}{a}(1-(-1)^n)\sin(\frac{n\pi }{2})e^{-\frac{n\pi}{a}x}##

I think I should do something more with that last equation but I really don't know what or how.. :/
 
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skrat said:

Homework Statement


Simplifly ##U(x,y)=\sum _{n=1} ^{\infty}\frac{2U_0}{n\pi }(1-(-1)^n)e^{-\frac{n\pi}{a}x}\sin(\frac{n\pi }{a}y)## for ##x>>a##.

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The Attempt at a Solution



The result is that out of the sum only ##n=1## survives, therefore ##U(x,y)=\frac{4U_0}{\pi }e^{-\frac{\pi}{a}x}\sin(\frac{\pi }{a}y)##.

I am having some troubles understanding this. Could anybody please try to explain how do I get this result? o_O

ps: If you need the whole problem, just let me know, but it shouldn't play any role for this...

Consider the expression (1 - (-1)n). What happens when n is even? When n is odd?
 
SteamKing said:
Consider the expression (1 - (-1)n). What happens when n is even? When n is odd?
How is this related to ##x>>a##?

ps: SteamKing, I edited the post and added some more questions.
 
skrat said:
How is this related to ##x>>a##?

ps: SteamKing, I edited the post and added some more questions.

Well, if you had examined the expression, you would have seen that about half the terms drop out, due to the expression being 0 for n even.
 
SteamKing said:
Well, if you had examined the expression, you would have seen that about half the terms drop out, due to the expression being 0 for n even.

Yes, I agree. But this still doesn't explain why only ##n=1## is ok? What happens with ##n=3##?
I apologize but I still can't see how is this related to ##x>>a##.
 

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