Simulating the E-field distribution using the charge distribution

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The discussion revolves around simulating electric field (E-field) distribution using charge distribution in electrostatics. Participants explore the relationship between charge distribution and electric field intensity, the application of boundary conditions in simulations, and the implications of moving charges versus static charges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to simulate E-field intensity using charge distribution compared to electrostatics, specifically questioning the terminology used.
  • Another participant explains that the divergence of the electric field is related to charge distribution and mentions that simple relations can be derived for certain geometries.
  • A question is raised about the application of voltage versus charge in simulations involving two conductors, highlighting different approaches in the literature.
  • A participant introduces the relationship between charge and voltage through capacitance, suggesting that this relationship is crucial for understanding the simulation process.
  • One participant describes how to solve for electric potential using Poisson's equation given an arbitrary charge distribution, noting that this process assumes static conditions.
  • There is a discussion about non-uniform charge distribution in conductors, with a participant questioning the implications of varying current density on E-field intensity.
  • Another participant mentions that the electron density on the surface of nearby conductors will change due to electrostatic forces, referencing electrostatic induction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts discussed, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the application of charge distribution in simulations and the relationship between charge and voltage. The discussion does not reach a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the topic, including the need for different approaches depending on whether charges are static or moving, and the implications of boundary conditions in simulations. There are unresolved questions regarding the uniformity of charge distribution in conductors and its practical applications.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electrostatics, electric field simulations, and the relationship between charge distribution and electric potential, particularly in the context of theoretical and applied physics.

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How do I simulate e-field using charge distribution?
Hello everyone,

I am new to this site so I hope this is the right place to ask this. I understand simulating electric field intensity using electrostatics because E=V/d makes sense to me. I do not understand how to consider e-field intensity using charge distribution. When is charge distribution useful compared to electrostatics? I apologize in advance if I'm not even using the correct terminology.

Thank you in advance,
Will
 
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What you are asking is the heart of electrostatics. The controlling equation relates the divergence of the Electric field to a given charge distribution. The relationship runs both directions.
For some geometries ("infinite" flat sheets and spheres for instance) simple relations can be derived.
If charges are allowed to move and circulate, the entire power of Maxwell's equations must be used, as well as the notion of Magnetic fields...
 
If charges are allowed to move and circulate like the charge in two wires with current flowing through both?

I've seen some papers stating that they used a voltage to define a boundary condition for simulation. I think others used charge? If I have two conductors separated by some distance, why would I apply a charge to them and not a voltage?
 
willDavidson said:
If I have two conductors separated by some distance, why would I apply a charge to them and not a voltage?
The relationship between charge and voltage is capacitance. C = Q / V.
 
willDavidson said:
Summary:: How do I simulate e-field using charge distribution?

Hello everyone,

I am new to this site so I hope this is the right place to ask this. I understand simulating electric field intensity using electrostatics because E=V/d makes sense to me. I do not understand how to consider e-field intensity using charge distribution. When is charge distribution useful compared to electrostatics? I apologize in advance if I'm not even using the correct terminology.

Thank you in advance,
Will
If you are given an arbitrary charge distribution ρ(x,y,z), you can solve for the potential φ by solving Poisson's equation \nabla^2 \varphi = -\rho/\epsilon_0 . Once you have φ, you can solve for E given E = -∇φ. There are many ways to solve Poisson's equation, some analytic, and some numeric. But the point is, if you know ρ everywhere, you can solve for E everywhere. This assumes things are static. If the charges are moving, then it gets more complicated. But the bottom line is the same. If you know the charges and currents everywhere, you can solve for E and B everywhere.
 
phyzguy said:
If you know the charges and currents everywhere, you can solve for E and B everywhere.
I'm still trying to understand why the charge wouldn't be uniform in a conductor. Is this like if a conductor has a higher current density near a cutout or something and there's a much higher current density? If so I guess that would mean the E-field intensity would be higher there as well? I'm trying to understand a practical application of this method.
 
willDavidson said:
I'm still trying to understand why the charge wouldn't be uniform in a conductor.
Consider two nearby conductors, at different potentials.
The electron density on the surface will change due to electrostatic forces.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_induction
 
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