Slide generator/hookes law problem

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a spring and a sliding bar in a magnetic field, focusing on calculating the induced current as a function of time. The spring constant is 1200 N/m, and the bar oscillates after being pulled and released. Participants clarify that the acceleration is not constant, as it depends on the position, leading to the realization that the position function x(t) must be expressed as a sine or cosine function. The correct approach involves using initial conditions to derive the position and velocity functions, ultimately leading to the induced current I(t) based on the derived velocity. The final question addresses whether the angular frequency ω can be determined from the given information, indicating a need for further clarification.
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Homework Statement


A stiff spring with a spring constant of 1200 N/m is connected to a bar on the slide generator as show in figure P32.40 Assume the bar has length l = 60 x10^-2 m and mass .75 kg, and it slides without friction. The bar connects to a U shaped wire to form a loop that has width w = 40 x 10^-2 m and total resistance 25 ohms and that sits in uniform magnetic field B = .35 T. The bar is initially pulled 5x10^-2 m to the left and released so that it begins to oscillate. What is the induced current in the loop as a function of time I(t)? (Ignore any effects due to the magnetic force on the oscillating bar)

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The Attempt at a Solution


ε = Blv, I = ε/R

so I(t) = ( (BL) / R ) * v(t)

I(t) = .0084 * v(t)

I'm having a hard time finding the function of v(t)

I know from hookes law -kx = ma

-kx /m = a

-80 = a

-80 = d^2 x /dt

But where do I go from here? Sorry I am lost. Wasn't even sure to put this in the math forum or here..

So I know the acceleration is equal to a constant number, how do I make that in terms of time? Any help would be great..
 
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Why do you think the acceleration is constant? The system is oscillating, which means x is changing, but k and m are both constants. Using Hooke's Law, what does that tell you about a?
 
RedDelicious said:
Why do you think the acceleration is constant? The system is oscillating, which means x is changing, but k and m are both constants. Using Hooke's Law, what does that tell you about a?

I see. so from

-kx /m = a

on the left side, although -k and m are constants, I was wrong to just plug in 5x10^-2 m for x because although that's what it starts as, x is actually a function of time..

so my expression for a should look like: -1600x(t) = a(t)

and x HAS to be a sin or cos function because its oscillating correct?

But I'm still confused on how to proceed. I need v(t), which means taking the integral of -1600x(t)

I'm still having trouble constructing a function for x(t) though.. I know its a sin function but I'm a bit confused. would -1600 be the amplitude of it?
 
Rijad Hadzic said:
I see. so from

-kx /m = a

on the left side, although -k and m are constants, I was wrong to just plug in 5x10^-2 m for x because although that's what it starts as, x is actually a function of time..

so my expression for a should look like: -1600x(t) = a(t)

and x HAS to be a sin or cos function because its oscillating correct?

But I'm still confused on how to proceed. I need v(t), which means taking the integral of -1600x(t)

I'm still having trouble constructing a function for x(t) though.. I know its a sin function but I'm a bit confused. would -1600 be the amplitude of it?

Much better. Yes it will be a function of sine or cosine, depending on the initial conditions. No -1600, will not be the amplitude. You can immediately rule that out because it doesn't have units of distance.

The general solution is x(t) = A\cos{\omega t} + B\sin{\omega t} where the amplitude is given by \sqrt{A^2+B^2} and \omega = \sqrt{k/m}

You can simplify that a bit by using the initial conditions. x(0) = x_0 and x'(0)=v(0) = 0
 
Thanks for the reply. So far I've reached:

The position function as time in simple harmonic motion =

x(t) = 5x10^(-2) cos (ωt + φ)

5x10^-2 has to be the amplitude since that's how much it is pulled back from rest position

I also got φ = -pi because cosinverse(inital position / max position)

now I am having trouble finding ω. I don't think from the given info in the problem that I can find it actually... am I correct here?

Either way, taking the derivative, I get velocity..

-5x10^-2 ω sin(ωt + φ)

-5x10^-2 ω sin(ωt + -pi)

but -1600x(t) = a(t) so I have to multiply my velocity function by that constant right?

= 80ωsin(ωt - pi) = v(t)

because I(t) = .0084 v(t)

I(t) = 80ωsin(ωt - pi) * .0084

is my answer correct now? Also can you please tell me if what I stated (can't find ω with given info) is true??

Thanks for the help.
 
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