Solving Algebraically for T2: Q Lost = Q Gained

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The discussion revolves around solving for the final temperature (T2) in a heat transfer problem involving two substances with different initial temperatures. The context includes specific values for the initial temperatures and masses of the substances involved.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the algebraic manipulation of the heat transfer equation QLost = QGained. There are attempts to clarify the calculations leading to different values for T2, with questions about the correctness of the derived equation and the substitution process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the calculations and assumptions made. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for clarity in the algebraic expression and the expectation that the final temperature should be between the initial temperatures.

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There is a mention of potential algebraic errors and the importance of showing detailed calculations to identify mistakes. Participants are also questioning the interpretation of the results, particularly regarding the units used in the calculations.

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Homework Statement



Solve algebraically for T2 then find T2.

T1C=63 Celsius
T1H=79.5 Celsius
MCW=8.63g
MBW=36.48g

Homework Equations



QLost = QGained

-mbwcw(T2-T1H) = mcwcw(T2-T1C)


The Attempt at a Solution



Trying to solve algebraically I arrived at:

T2 = mcwt1C+mbwt1h[tex]/[/tex](mbw+mcw)

But when substituting the values I get T2 = 123.66J from the original equation and T2 = 76.34 when using the equation I derived from the original.

Can someone please show me where I am going wrong with the equation here?

Thanks!
 
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Soliloquy12 said:
But when substituting the values I get T2 = 123.66J from the original equation
What do you mean? How exactly did you get that result? (I assume that's the final temperature of some mixture, not an energy in Joules.)
and T2 = 76.34 when using the equation I derived from the original.
I didn't do the calculation, but if the problem is what I think it is, that sounds reasonable.
 
Yes sorry i meant degrees celsius. I substitutted the values into the initial "long" equation when I got 123.66 degrees celsius.
 
Soliloquy12 said:
Yes sorry i meant degrees celsius. I substitutted the values into the initial "long" equation when I got 123.66 degrees celsius.
I still don't know what you mean. The initial "long" equation is the same equation that you rearranged to solve for T2. All you did was solve it algebraically--it's still the same equation.

Show exactly what you did. What values did you substitute?
 
Soliloquy12 said:

Homework Statement





-mbwcw(T2-T1H) = mcwcw(T2-T1C)


The Attempt at a Solution



Trying to solve algebraically I arrived at:

T2 = mcwt1C+mbwt1h[tex]/[/tex](mbw+mcw)

But when substituting the values I get T2 = 123.66J from the original equation and T2 = 76.34 when using the equation I derived from the original.

Can someone please show me where I am going wrong with the equation here?

Thanks!
First, I would suggest that you put parentheses around the two terms in your numerator for clarity and to prevent mistakes.

Second, I'm assuming that this problem involves adding something hot to something cool because you didn't really say. In problems such as that the final temperature will lie between the two starting temperatures. Therefore you should suspect that you made a simple algebraic error when you computed 123.66 degrees. As Dr AL indicated, without seeing the details of your calculation, one can't say more.
 

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