Solving an Integral: 2x^3/(x^3-1)

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The discussion revolves around the integral of the function 2x^3/(x^3-1) with respect to x. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the integration, including polynomial division and substitution techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss polynomial division as a method to simplify the integral, with some questioning the correctness of the division performed. Others suggest splitting the integral into parts or using substitution methods, particularly involving the natural logarithm of the denominator. There is also mention of using partial fractions as an alternative approach.

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The discussion is active, with multiple participants offering different perspectives on how to tackle the integral. Some have provided specific methods while others have raised questions about the effectiveness of those methods. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note the importance of ensuring the rational expression is proper before applying partial fractions. There is also a mention of the need for clarity in the integration of logarithmic functions, indicating potential gaps in understanding among participants.

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Homework Statement


Integral of: 2x^3/(x^3-1) with respect to x.

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you can divide them to get sum of integrals.
=int(2,x) + 2*int(1/(x^-1),x)
=2x + 2*int(1/(x^-1),x)

Im having trouble proceeding with the last part, i just need help getting started.
 
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I think there is an error in your polynomial division if what you are meaning to say is that

[tex]\frac{2x^3}{x^3-1}=2+2\frac{1}{x^{-1}}=2+2x[/tex]

The way that I would do it is to split up the integral like this..

[tex]\int\frac{2x^3}{x^3-1}dx=\int x \frac{2x^2}{x^3-1}dx=x\ln{(x^3-1)}-\int \ln{(x^3-1)}dx[/tex]

where you get to the last part of the equality by doing by parts on the split up parts.

By the way you could do the polynomial division but it wouldn't make it much simpler, I think you just get

[tex]\frac{2x^3}{x^3-1}=\frac{2}{x^3-1}+2[/tex]
 
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I realize how ridiculous integral threads can become when everyone wants to chip in with their 'better' method, but I think it's worth mentioning that if you'd rather not integrate [tex]\ln{(x^3-1)}[/tex] as Jeff's approach requires, another path is to factorise the original integrand's denominator and use partial fractions.

Show us your work if you get stuck, Mr Flea.
 
thats the thing i know how to integrate ln(x) where x is any function wih power 1.
ln(x^3-1)
let t = x^3-1 --> 3x^2dx=dt when i sub that in i don't know how to proceed
=ln(t)dt/3x^2 --> maybe another substitution, ie let u=3x^2, du=6xdt,
any help guys?
 
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Unco said:
I realize how ridiculous integral threads can become when everyone wants to chip in with their 'better' method, but I think it's worth mentioning that if you'd rather not integrate [tex]\ln{(x^3-1)}[/tex] as Jeff's approach requires, another path is to factorise the original integrand's denominator and use partial fractions.

Show us your work if you get stuck, Mr Flea.

Before you start in with partial fractions decomposition, the rational expression should be made into a proper rational expression, one for which the degree of the numerator is less than the degree of the denominator.

2x^3/(x^3 - 1) = 2 + 2/(x^3 - 1)

Now you can factor the denominator in the second term and use partial fractions.
 

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