Solving Difficult Integral - Tom's Struggles

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In summary: Sorry.:smile:In summary, Tom tried different substitutions for x in the integral and the result was not correct. He then tried using the hyperbolic trig functions and found the answer. He recommends rewriting the integrand using sec^2 \theta = 1 + \tan^2 \theta.
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I have been stumped trying to find the following integral:

[tex] \int \sqrt{1+x^2} dx [/tex]

I put it into my TI-89 calculator and it gave me and answer (that checks), but I cannot figure out how to do it by hand (is it possible?).

I tried using substitution and got:

[tex] \int \frac{\sqrt{u}}{\sqrt{u-1}} du [/tex]

If you then use integration by parts, it just flips the fraction. Any suggestions?

Thanks!
Tom
 
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Does writing it as

[tex]\int (1+x^{2})^{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]

Help?
 
  • #3
What substitution did you try?
 
  • #4
robphy said:
What substitution did you try?

I think he used [itex] u = 1+x^2[/itex] becasue I've just tried it and arrived at the same result. :smile:
 
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You can also try starting with integration by parts, and that gives you:

[tex] x \sqrt{1+x^2} - \int \frac{x^2}{\sqrt{1+x^2}} dx [/tex]

but that doesn't help
 
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For this type of problem you can use the inverse of the chain rule to give;

[tex]\int (ax + b)^n \;\; dx = \frac{1}{a(n+1)}\cdot (ax+b)^{n+1} +c[/tex]

Hope this helps
-Hoot:smile:
 
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Have you seen the hyperbolic functions? You can use cosh²a-sinh²a = 1 to substitute x = sinh(a).
If you haven't seen those, using 1+tan²a = sec²a is an alternative to use x = tan(a).
 
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Hootenanny said:
For this type of problem you can use the inverse of the chain rule to give;

[tex]\int (ax + b)^n \;\; dx = \frac{1}{a(n+1)}\cdot (ax+b)^{n+1} +c[/tex]

Hope this helps
-Hoot:smile:

But he (she) has a x^2 so this does not help... (or I might be missing something). A trig substitution seems the way to go to me...

Pat
 
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nrqed said:
But he (she) has a x^2 so this does not help... (or I might be missing something). A trig substitution seems the way to go to me...

Pat

Okay I could also write it like this;

[tex]\int [f(x)]^n \;\; dx = \frac{1}{f'(x)\cdot (n+1)} \cdot [f(x)]^{n+1}[/tex]

I trig ident is not required :smile:. I could show the full derivation if the OP likes.
 
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Hootenanny said:
Okay I could also write it like this;

[tex]\int [f(x)]^n \;\; dx = \frac{1}{f'(x)\cdot (n+1)} \cdot [f(x)]^{n+1}[/tex]

I trig ident is not required :smile:. I could show the full derivation if the OP likes.

I am sorry, but this is incorrect! (*unless f'(x) is a constant!)

Pat
 
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nrqed said:
I am sorry, but this is incorrect! (*unless f'(x) is a constant!)

Pat

Indeed you are correct. I;ve obviuosly not been listening in class:bugeye:
 
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TD said:
Have you seen the hyperbolic functions? You can use cosh²a-sinh²a = 1 to substitute x = sinh(a).
If you haven't seen those, using 1+tan²a = sec²a is an alternative to use x = tan(a).

To Kb1jij:

TD is right.
That's indeed the way to go. Using [itex] x= tan (\theta) [/itex], one gets [itex] {\sqrt {1 + x^2}} = sec (\theta) [/itex].

Then find dx in terms of [itex] d \theta [/itex]. The resulting integral is easy to do. Then you need to reexpress [itex] \theta [/itex] in terms of x.

Pat
 
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nrqed said:
To Kb1jij:

TD is right.
That's indeed the way to go. Using [itex] x= tan (\theta) [/itex], one gets [itex] {\sqrt {1 + x^2}} = sec (\theta) [/itex].

Then find dx in terms of [itex] d \theta [/itex]. The resulting integral is easy to do. Then you need to reexpress [itex] \theta [/itex] in terms of x.

Pat

So the result is [tex] \int sec^3 (\theta) d \theta [/tex], right?
I don't think that this is really "easy to do", but I'll let you know if I get stuck.

Thanks!
Tom
 
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Kb1jij said:
So the result is [tex] \int sec^3 (\theta) d \theta [/tex], right?
I don't think that this is really "easy to do", but I'll let you know if I get stuck.

Thanks!
Tom

You are right, it does not look pretty. Sorry.

Then, you must use hyperbolic trig functions. Set x = sinh(u). You will get the integral of cosh(u)^2. Using the hyperbolic trig identity for cosh^2, you will get a very easy integral to do.

Pat
 
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nrqed said:
You are right, it does not look pretty. Sorry.

Then, you must use hyperbolic trig functions. Set x = sinh(u). You will get the integral of cosh(u)^2. Using the hyperbolic trig identity for cosh^2, you will get a very easy integral to do.

Pat

Ok, I found the integral, and I am left with this:
[tex]\frac{\theta + cosh \theta sinh \theta}{2}[/tex]
which can then be turned into (arcsinh x + x cosh(arcsinh x))/2. Can I simplify that further? I'm not too familiar with the hyperbolic trig functions, but if those were regular trig functions that second term would become
[tex]x\sqrt{1-x^2}[/tex]. Can I do the same here?
 
  • #16
[tex]\int \sec^3 \theta \, d\theta[/tex]
is one of the standard (circular) trigonometric integrals. Your textbook probably explicitly states an algorithm for simplifying integrals of the type

[tex]\int \sec^a \theta \tan^b \theta \, d\theta[/tex]

and the one of interest is certainly in any integral table.

I think the recommended step is to rewrite the integrand using [itex]\sec^2 \theta = 1 + \tan^2 \theta[/itex].


As for the hyperbolic substitution...
Can I do the same here?
You can use the same idea that was used to derive that result for the circular trig functions. However, the result will probably not be identical.
 
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Kb1jij said:
Ok, I found the integral, and I am left with this:
[tex]\frac{\theta + cosh \theta sinh \theta}{2}[/tex]
which can then be turned into (arcsinh x + x cosh(arcsinh x))/2. Can I simplify that further? I'm not too familiar with the hyperbolic trig functions, but if those were regular trig functions that second term would become
[tex]x\sqrt{1-x^2}[/tex]. Can I do the same here?

Do not turn it back in terms of x yet! You must still integrate! *After* you have integrated you will go back to x. It's easy to integrate because cosh is the derivative of sinh! (or vice versa). That's the beauty of this trick...
 
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Hurkyl said:
[tex]\int \sec^3 \theta \, d\theta[/tex]
is one of the standard (circular) trigonometric integrals. Your textbook probably explicitly states an algorithm for simplifying integrals of the type

[tex]\int \sec^a \theta \tan^b \theta \, d\theta[/tex]

and the one of interest is certainly in any integral table.

I think the recommended step is to rewrite the integrand using [itex]\sec^2 \theta = 1 + \tan^2 \theta[/itex].


As for the hyperbolic substitution...

You can use the same idea that was used to derive that result for the circular trig functions. However, the result will probably not be identical.

I don't think that this trick works if the difference of exponents a-b is 3. It works only for specific differences of exponents (I am too busy right now to work it out)... But I may be missing something in which case I would be interested in seeing how this works out...

Pat
 
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Oh right, I made a mistake. (That's what I get for doing it in my head) I needed to also use integration by parts to evaluate [itex]\int \sec^3 \theta \, d\theta[/itex].
 
  • #20
If I'm not mistaken, we had a thread very similar to this one a while back. I came to the conclusion that hyperbolic trig was the most direct and elegant way. Let me search...
 
  • #21
Problems can vary. If I do one substitution and am not immediately happy with the results, I will often try the other substitution to see if I like it better. With some I prefer the hyperbolic substitution, and others have turned out nicer with a circular substitution.
 
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OK, found it : https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104258&highlight=hyperbolic

Not exactly the same problem, but similar. VietDao showed a very insightful way to integrate that horrid secant and tangent term that allowed one to use conventional trig easily.

But the hyperbolic trig is still easier to "see", IMVHO. :smile:

An even cooler way would be to subsitute x = iu and transform it into a circular trig function using complex arguments (that's actually equivalent to the hyperbolic trig approach).
 
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Curious3141 said:
OK, found it : https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=104258&highlight=hyperbolic

Not exactly the same problem, but similar. VietDao showed a very insightful way to integrate that horrid secant and tangent term that allowed one to use conventional trig easily.
Nah, it's not very insightful... :frown:
In case you don't want a hyperbolic substitution, you can try the following way. The first step is to find:
[tex]\int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}}[/tex]
Let:
[tex]\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} = t - x[/tex]
Take the differential of both sides gives:
[tex]\frac{x}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} dx = dt - dx[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow \frac{x + \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} dx = dt[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow \frac{t}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} dx = dt[/tex]
Divide both sides by t, then integrate both sides gives:
[tex]\Rightarrow \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} = \int \frac{dt}{t} = \ln |t| + C = \ln |x + \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}| + C[/tex]
Then let's find:
[tex]\int \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} dx[/tex]. By Integrating by Parts, we have:
[tex]\int \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} dx = x \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} - \int \frac{x ^ 2}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} dx = x \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} - \int \frac{x ^ 2 + 1 - 1}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} dx[/tex]
[tex]= x \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} + \int \frac{dx}{\sqrt{1 + x ^ 2}} - \int \sqrt{1 + x ^ 2} dx[/tex].
Now, you can go from here, right? :)
 
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Although I feel sure the hyperbolic substitution is easier, here is another standard way to integrate [itex]\int sec^3(\theta) d\theta[/itex]:
[tex]\int sec^3(\theta)d\theta= \int \frac{d\theta}{cos^3(\theta)}= \int\frac{cos(\theta)d\theta}{cos^4(\theta)}[/tex]
[tex]= \int \frac{cos(\theta)d\theta}{(1- sin^2(\theta))^2}[/tex]
Let [itex]u= sin(\theta)[/tex] and the integral becomes
[tex]\int \frac{du}{(1-u^2)^2}[/tex]
which can be done with partial fractions.
 
  • #25
Great, thanks guys! I understand both methods. I think a trig substitution is a little easier though. Either way I came out with a final answer of:
[tex] \frac{x \sqrt{1+x^2} + ln |x+\sqrt{1+x^2}|}{2} + C[/tex]

Thanks again!
Tom
 

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