Solving for Mass of Block of Ice w/ Newton's 2nd Law

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A dockworker applies an 80 N force to a block of ice, which moves 11 meters in 5 seconds on a frictionless surface. The discussion revolves around calculating the block's mass using Newton's second law and three different equations of motion, leading to different acceleration values. The confusion arises from the distinction between average velocity and final velocity, with the average velocity being 2.2 m/s. The correct acceleration, derived from the third equation, is 0.88 m/s², indicating that the final velocity can be calculated as 4.4 m/s. Understanding the nature of average versus final velocity is crucial for accurate calculations in this scenario.
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Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The fritional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s
x=x_0+v_{0x}t+1/2a_xt^2

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use all 3 of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the 2nd formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

And if I use the 3rd formula:
11m=0t+1/2a_x\cdot (5s)^2
Which gives: a_x=\frac{11m}{1/2\cdot (5s)^2}=0.88m/s^2

What's the difference between the three formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?
 
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PhyIsOhSoHard said:

Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The fritional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use both of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the other formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

What's the difference between the two formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?

Your V_x is average velocity and not final velocity.
 


hqjb said:
Your V_x is average velocity and not final velocity.

I've updated my 1st post with another equation. According to my book, it says the 3rd equation is the correct with the acceleration being 0.88 m/s^2

But that is the average velocity as well?
 


PhyIsOhSoHard said:

Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The frictional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use both of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the other formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

What's the difference between the two formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?
v_x is the final velocity of the block,

whereas 22 \text{m/s} is the average velocity of the block.

For constant acceleration, the average velocity is given by: \displaystyle v_\text{Average}=\frac{v_x+{v_0}_x}{2}\ .
 


PhyIsOhSoHard said:
I've updated my 1st post with another equation. According to my book, it says the 3rd equation is the correct with the acceleration being 0.88 m/s^2

But that is the average velocity as well?

The third equation is S = V_{0x}t + \frac{1}{2}at^2
where S = distance, V0x = initial velocity a = constant acc. t = time, no final velocity needed.

Acceleration is constant therefore, velocity is changing throughout, the actual final velocity is not given in the question and can be calculated using v = u + at to be 4.4m/s
 
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