Solving for Min Speed on Loop-the-Loop Rides

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a loop-the-loop ride, where a car must maintain contact with the track at the top of a vertical circular loop. The problem involves concepts from dynamics and circular motion, specifically focusing on forces acting on the car and the conditions for maintaining contact with the track.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the car at the top of the loop, questioning the relationship between centripetal force, gravitational force, and normal force. Some participants question the nature of the normal force when the car is just maintaining contact with the track.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring the relationship between the normal force and gravitational force at the top of the loop. Participants are raising questions about the conditions under which the normal force equals the gravitational force and are examining the implications of these forces in the context of the problem.

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There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions regarding the forces acting on the car, particularly the role of the normal force when the car is at the minimum speed required to stay in contact with the track.

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Homework Statement


In a loop-the-loop ride a car goes around a vertical, circular loop at a constant speed. The car has a mass m = 260 kg and moves with speed v = 15 m/s. The loop-the-loop has a radius of R = 10 m. What is the minimum speed of the car so that it stays in contact with the track at the top of the loop?

Homework Equations


ac=v2/r
F=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


At the top of the loop, the forces acting on the car are Fgravity, FNormal, and Fcentrifugal (I think). So I think the minimum speed would be one that made all the forces cancel to zero (aka, Fc is just strong enough to counteract Fgravity and FNormal). If that's true, then Fc=FN+Fg. Since Fc=m*ac=v2/r , so far I have: m*ac=v2/r = m*g+m*g.
..but I don't think that makes sense... Is FN in this case equal and opposite to Fc?
 
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If the car is only just staying in contact, what will the normal force equal? Remember, this the force the track and car exert on each other.
 
The normal force will equal the force of gravity, m*g?
 
Anne Armstrong said:
The normal force will equal the force of gravity, m*g?
Why would it have to be that?
A normal force is the reaction that results when attempting to push an object through something that resists. When you place an object on solid ground, the weight of the object acts to push the object through the floor. The normal force is the reaction necessary from the floor to prevent it. When you place on object on an incline, only part of the weight is trying to push the object into the incline, so the normal force is less. In this case, what is trying to push the object through the top of the loop?
 

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