Solving Rod Slipping: Find x min with Tension & Friction

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a uniform rod of length 4.0 m and mass M, supported by a cable under tension T, with one end resting against a wall held by friction. An additional mass M is to be hung from the rod at a distance x from the wall, and the goal is to find the minimum value of x that prevents the rod from slipping, considering a coefficient of static friction of 0.5.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the equilibrium equations provided by the original poster and question the validity of some of the equations. There is a request for clarification on the orientation of the cable and rod, as well as the relationship between the additional mass and the rod's mass.

Discussion Status

Some participants are seeking clarification on the setup of the problem, particularly regarding the orientation of the cable and the rod. A request for a diagram has been made to aid understanding, indicating that the discussion is still in the exploratory phase without a clear consensus on the problem setup.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has indicated a sense of confusion and urgency due to an upcoming exam, which may influence the dynamics of the discussion. The need for a diagram suggests that visual representation is crucial for resolving ambiguities in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



a uniform rod of length 4.0m of mass M is supported by a cable which is under tension T. The other end rests against as wall, where it is held by friction. The coefficient of static friction is 0.5. An additional mass M is hung from the rod at a distance x from the wall


Homework Equations



Mgx + 2 Mg = 4T sinӨ
2Mg = (R/2) + T sin Ө
R = T cos Ө

The Attempt at a Solution


Solve the above three equations simultaneously for Ө = 37 to obtain the minimum value of x in metres where the additional mass M may be hung without causing the rod to slip.

Answer is : x min = 2.8 m

how do you solve this ? I am totally lost :'( please help I have an exam on monday next week :'(
 
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Mgx + 2 Mg = 4T sinӨ
2Mg = (R/2) + T sin Ө
R = T cos Ө

The first equation looks good. How did you get the other two? The second looks like the equilibrium equation for the forces in the vertical direction, but it has mistakes in it.
 
The cable is horizontal ? Or is the rod horizontal ?
The additional mass "M" is equal to the rod mass "M" ?
 
The problem would be greatly clarified if a diagram could be provided. The orientation and location of attachment of the cable are unspecified, so the problem is not solvable.

To the OP: Do any of the cable positions, 1, 2, or 3 in the attached figure, correspond to the current problem?
 

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yes that's the diagram how silly of me! oh god i forgot... yeah that's the one! cable one is just like the red one
 

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