Speed of Jet Plane - Solving the Problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the speed of a jet plane and the propagation of sound, specifically relating to the conditions under which a sonic boom is heard after the plane passes overhead. The subject area includes concepts from kinematics and wave propagation.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are examining the geometric relationship between the height of the plane, the distance sound travels, and the speed of the plane. There is a focus on the assumption that relates the height and distances using the Pythagorean theorem, with some questioning its validity.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the geometric interpretation of the assumptions made in the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need to visualize the scenario through a diagram, indicating a productive direction for understanding the relationships involved.

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There is a noted concern regarding the assumption that h² = (vT)² + (v_s*T)², with participants questioning its geometric validity and seeking deeper insight into its implications.

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Problem:

You see a jet plane flying and you think that it is flying at a constant altitude h. Say you hear the sonic boom at a time t after the plane passes directly overhead. Show that if the speed of sound v is the same at all altitudes, the speed of the plane is

v_s=hv/sqrt(h^2-v^2*T^2)

Partial Solution:

The sound travels a distance vT and the plane travels a distance v_s*T before the boom is found. Correct? However, I need to relate this to the height. If you assume h^2=(vT)^2+(v_s*T)^2. Since the speed of sound is the same at all altitude then the boom forms a perfect cone with angle θ with the ground. Then substituting in sinθ=v/v_s you can easily get the expression. However I don't fully understand the assumption h^2=(vT)^2+(v_s*T)^2 because geometrically it doesn't make sense to me. Any insight?
 
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Von Neumann said:
If you assume h^2=(vT)^2+(v_s*T)^2
Why would you assume that? Pythagoras wouldn't have.
 
haruspex said:
Why would you assume that? Pythagoras wouldn't have.
As I stated, with that assumption I get the identity as given. If you also go back and read the question, I ask for insight on the geometric significance of that assumption.
 
Von Neumann said:
As I stated, with that assumption I get the identity as given. If you also go back and read the question, I ask for insight on the geometric significance of that assumption.

Looks like my hint was too subtle. Draw the diagram on which you based that equation. Which is the hypotenuse?
 

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