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The problem involves analyzing the forces and torques acting on a 60 N uniform crate being pushed with a horizontal force of 40 N. The crate is at rest, and the coefficient of static friction is given as 0.75. Participants are tasked with determining the behavior of the crate under these conditions, particularly whether it will slide, pivot, or remain stationary.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the applied force and friction, questioning whether the crate will slide or pivot. There is an exploration of torque calculations about point O, with some participants attempting to clarify the effects of friction and the direction of torques involved.

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There is an ongoing examination of the torque calculations and the implications of the applied force versus friction. Some participants have provided insights into the torque produced by different forces, while others are seeking clarification on the concepts of clockwise and counterclockwise torque. The discussion remains active with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working with the assumption that the crate is uniform and that the forces and torques must be balanced to determine its motion. There is mention of a potential typo regarding the coefficient of static friction, which may affect calculations. The discussion also highlights the need to visualize the forces and torques to understand the problem better.

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Homework Statement



. Suppose you are pushing a 60 N uniform crate at rest with a horizontal force of 40 N
exerted at the top as shown. The crate is a cube with length of L. If the coefficient of
static friction between the crate and floor is 0.75, which statement below is correct?

(Hint: If the crate is about to pivot at point O, the
normal force will act at point O, and not through the
center of mass.)

a. The crate will slide along the surface with constant speed.
b. The crate will slide along the surface speeding with constant acceleration.
c. The crane will slide along the surface speeding to a maximum speed and
then continue to with that speed.
d. The crate does not budge to your force, it neither slides nor pivots.
e. The crate will pivot at point O.

pic : http://i49.tinypic.com/16p2x1.png

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The Attempt at a Solution



I did Fs = us * Fn = 0.6 x 60 = 45
So since applied force is greater than frictional force, the crate should pivot?? then how is this using torque to solve the quesiton?
 
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The friction means it won't slide (so that rules out a to c) but you also need to check the torque about point O to work out if it's d or e.

EDIT:

Where did you get the 0.6 from in ..

Fs = us * Fn = 0.6 x 60 = 45
 
CWatters said:
The friction means it won't slide (so that rules out a to c) but you also need to check the torque about point O to work out if it's d or e.

EDIT:

Where did you get the 0.6 from in ..


sorry its a typo.
0.75 x 40 = 30N

but I don't understand how is it torque..
cuz in the textbook, it says something about cancel out the torque produced by friction because it acts on the pivot or something..?


or is this question just simply because the applied force is greater than the friction so the crate will pivot?
 
Fapp * L and mg L/2
but they are both tilting towards clockwise position..

imagining a force push the crate, then the crate will be moved the same direction as the direction of the force...
 
Lets look at the Torque about point O and define clockwise as +ve.

Torque = force * distance

You have the force pushing on the crate at the top which produces a torque = 40 * L

You have the weight acting through the center of gravity producing an anticlockwise torque = - 60 * L/2

You have friction acting through point O so that produces a torque = 30 * 0 = 0. It's zero because the displacement from point O is zero.

Total Torque is

40L + (-30L) + 0 = 10L

That's a positive torque so the crate rotates clockwise.
 
CWatters said:
Lets look at the Torque about point O and define clockwise as +ve.

Torque = force * distance

You have the force pushing on the crate at the top which produces a torque = 40 * L

You have the weight acting through the center of gravity producing an anticlockwise torque = - 60 * L/2

You have friction acting through point O so that produces a torque = 30 * 0 = 0. It's zero because the displacement from point O is zero.

Total Torque is

40L + (-30L) + 0 = 10L

That's a positive torque so the crate rotates clockwise.

why is the weight anticlockwise? I just couldn't picture these rotational torque... How do you picture it?
 
Will post picture in a moment.
 
Like this..
 

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oh right, i get why is it CW and CCW now thks
 
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Have drawn it slightly better. This shows the crate at the point of tipping. The normal force has moved to point O.
 

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