News The SM masters having fun in Iraqs prison

[Simon666]

Article 84 of the Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits housing prisoners of war and "persons deprived of liberty for any other reason" with general criminal populations. The rules also require that enemy prisoners be kept in facilities "affording every guarantee of hygiene and healthfulness."

You mean dipping their food in the toilet and covering them with feces is illegal? How else should we extract confessions from these dangerous random rounded up civilia...errrr...terrorists?

 

[Nommos Prime (Dogon)]

Rapist Chain Of Command

Rapist Chain Of Command

I’ve sat out of this one long enough.

Your MI “Cronie”, Colonel Papas, ORDERED physical assaults, mental barrages and SEXUAL HUMILIATION (upon Islamic Males).
Further to this, your MPs took GREAT PLEASURE inflicting these sadistic/perverted acts upon helpless prisoners, over a period of MONTHS.

Now, the Iraqis are prisoners IN THEIR OWN NATION. The USA are cowardly aggressors in Iraq.

The USA’s MI/CIA/MPs are a bunch of sick, evil cowards.
It takes a “special breed” to become such Perverted, rapist scum.

Note, that the USA censored many Red Cross reports on the infamous Iraqi torture prison.

Read the Transcript from last night’s Four Corners special, entitled “Chain Of Command”. Read what YOUR OWN Citizens have to say about it…;
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/transcripts/s1126969.htm

 

[member 5645]

Rapist Chain Of Command

I’ve sat out of this one long enough.

Your MI “Cronie”, Colonel Papas, ORDERED physical assaults, mental barrages and SEXUAL HUMILIATION (upon Islamic Males).
Further to this, your MPs took GREAT PLEASURE inflicting these sadistic/perverted acts upon helpless prisoners, over a period of MONTHS.

Now, the Iraqis are prisoners IN THEIR OWN NATION. The USA are cowardly aggressors in Iraq.

The USA’s MI/CIA/MPs are a bunch of sick, evil cowards.
It takes a “special breed” to become such Perverted, rapist scum.

Note, that the USA censored many Red Cross reports on the infamous Iraqi torture prison.

Read the Transcript from last night’s Four Corners special, entitled “Chain Of Command”. Read what YOUR OWN Citizens have to say about it…;
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2003/transcripts/s1126969.htm

All australian service men are rapist because of the rapes that inflicted in WWII :)

Why don't you quote what 'my' citizens say about it. I'm not going to waste my time reading through your link.

I love the "us and them" attitude you have - Just like your favorite person, GW Bush

 

[selfAdjoint]

Have you seen the latest revelations, how the government lawyers in 2002 and 2003 developed a theory that the right to disobey the US and treaty laws against torture is "inherent in the presidency", just as if he were Josef Stalin!

Here's what Philip Carter, a military law blogger, has to say about it. http://www.intel-dump.com/archives/archive_2004_06_07.shtml#1086610719

 

[Nommos Prime (Dogon)]

Woops

Sorry, I placed a post I meant for the Reagan thread here. I have since removed it.
(LARGE EDIT)

 

[pelastration]

Have you seen the latest revelations, how the government lawyers in 2002 and 2003 developed a theory that the right to disobey the US and treaty laws against torture is "inherent in the presidency", just as if he were Josef Stalin!

Here's what Philip Carter, a military law blogger, has to say about it. http://www.intel-dump.com/archives/archive_2004_06_07.shtml#1086610719

Thanks for the link selfAdjoint.
The red line is the negative attitude and intentions these doc's show. That explains also why USA opposed against any involvement of the ICC.
(quote): But this DoD memo appears to be quite the opposite. It is, quite literally, a cookbook approach for illegal government conduct. This memorandum lays out the substantive law on torture and how to avoid it. It then goes on to discuss the procedural mechanisms with which torture is normally prosecuted, and techniques for avoiding those traps. I have not seen the text of the memo, but from this report, it does not appear that it advises American personnel to comply with international or domestic law. It merely tells them how to avoid it. That is dangerous legal advice.(end of quote).
That's why some people admire Rumsfeld because that's 'smart'.

 

[Adam]

1) Phatmonky has confessed that he does not read information provided.

2) The Red Cross generally does not release reports to the public about their findings in places such as the USA prisons here and there, as that would result in them having reduced access. They released a report into recent US activities specifically because they were so bad.

3) The soldiers are there at the command of the government, who (at least in theory) are enacting the will of the people. Thus, all rapes, murders, beatings, abuses of human rights, et cetera, are the responsibility of the US public. And yes, this means the Australian leaders from WW2 should pay for any crimes committed by our soldiers back then, and Australia should pay reparations to the victims. However, for the record, there is only ONE known incident of Australian interrogators going over the line.

 

[kat]

From your link

I have not seen the text of the memo, but from this report, it does not appear that it advises American personnel to comply with international or domestic law. It merely tells them how to avoid it. That is dangerous legal advice.

Have you a link to the actual memo? otherwise this is all speculation. Which makes for interesting conversation, but speculation none the less.

 

[kat]

oops, scratch that. I missed the top link. No time to read it now though.

 

[member 5645]

1) Phatmonky has confessed that he does not read information provided.
.

I have refused to read 20 page links, on a site built around debate and discussion. Especially when someone refers to something that is SOMEWHERE in said link.
Add your own thoghts, and once again, GET OFF MY BALLS.

 

[studentx]

However, for the record, there is only ONE known incident of Australian interrogators going over the line.

Only one? One is far too many. Its despicable to hear this poor excuse.

 

[kat]

Have you seen the latest revelations, how the government lawyers in 2002 and 2003 developed a theory that the right to disobey the US and treaty laws against torture is "inherent in the presidency", just as if he were Josef Stalin!

Here's what Philip Carter, a military law blogger, has to say about it. http://www.intel-dump.com/archives/archive_2004_06_07.shtml#1086610719

This is a draft of a working group report. This is nothing but a group researching and reporting on a multitude of legal scenerios and the prospective legal application. Friggin ridiculous. It's very similar to the environment report that was passsed around a few months ago, that in then end created by a group of grad student who were procured to develop different scenerios. They admitted that they purposely pushed the envelope in order to explore extreme situations.
Give me a break. There's enough crap to put forth that is factual without passing off this stuff as some incredible revelation...ooOOOooohhh OOOOOOOOH Aaawwwww
A working group explored extreme situations and the legal ramifications...OOoOOOOHHHHhh. Hello reality?

 

[Nommos Prime (Dogon)]

Australian soldiers and MPs DO NOT have the sick sexual fetishes that the Americans do.
An Australian soldier requested to do this SEXUAL HUMILIATION would not. If he did, he would be summarily bashed...

Oh, and before anybody says its not a "fetish".
What was it, then?
(a) "Interrogation"
(b) "Torture"
(c) "Rape"
(d) "Sexual Perversion"
(e) "fun"
(f) "stupidity"

Also, were they ordered to produce this sickness?
Or, did the MPs (just happen to be concentrated into a SINGLE UNIT of sick bastards from a Tarrantino movie?)

Non of the above options look too attractive to me...

 

[kat]

Australian soldiers and MPs DO NOT have the sick sexual fetishes that the Americans do.

Painting with a broad brush...

 

[Nommos Prime (Dogon)]

Not Really...

I haven't seen any photographs (or RED CROSS Reports) which clarly show NUMEROUS Australian soldiers involved in this evil. Have you?

I've only seen what everybody else has (Americans).

 

[kat]

I haven't seen any photographs (or RED CROSS Reports) which clarly show NUMEROUS Australian soldiers involved in this evil. Have you?

I've only seen what everybody else has (Americans).

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
There were recent reports on serious abuses in prisons at the hands of ...the french.

 

[Nommos Prime (Dogon)]

Kat Contradiction

Oh I see.
If there is NO evidence, it's possible.

But when there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence, its not good enough.

You're a walking contradiction...

 

[Adam]

I have refused to read 20 page links, on a site built around debate and discussion. Especially when someone refers to something that is SOMEWHERE in said link.
Add your own thoghts, and once again, GET OFF MY BALLS.

Your homosexual innuendos do not interest me. Try someone else.

Apart from that, you can either: 1) read the information provided; or 2) admit you continually whine and complain from ignorance, so we can simply ignore your further posts.

 

[Adam]

Only one? One is far too many. Its despicable to hear this poor excuse.

For once you have said something vaguely rational. Congratulations. Keep it up.

PS: I was not making any excuses for the poor behaviour of my country's military. I was merely stating a fact.

 

[Adam]

I haven't seen any photographs (or RED CROSS Reports) which clarly show NUMEROUS Australian soldiers involved in this evil. Have you?

I've only seen what everybody else has (Americans).

Unfortunately it emerged last week that Australian intelligence officers were present in Abu Ghraib and other such places as observers, and our defence force knew all about it for quite some time. John Howard is claiming "Heck, nobody told me!" once again, just as with the "children overboard" thing. However, as you say, there has been no suggestion of them actually participating. But to me, that is not enough. They should have made their own records, and forwarded the records to the PM, and he should have forwarded them to the UN.

 

[jimmy p]

Unfortunately it emerged last week that Australian intelligence officers were present in Abu Ghraib and other such places as observers, and our defence force knew all about it for quite some time. John Howard is claiming "Heck, nobody told me!" once again, just as with the "children overboard" thing. However, as you say, there has been no suggestion of them actually participating. But to me, that is not enough. They should have made their own records, and forwarded the records to the PM, and he should have forwarded them to the UN.

Which surely makes those military personnel as bent as the abusive soldiers.

 

[Adam]

It certainly doesn't make them saints.

 

[pelastration]

General Granted Latitude At Prison
Abu Ghraib Used Aggressive Tactics
Saturday, June 12, 2004; Page A01

Quotes from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35612-2004Jun11.html

Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior U.S. military officer in Iraq, borrowed heavily from a list of high-pressure interrogation tactics used at the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and approved letting senior officials at a Baghdad jail use military dogs, temperature extremes, reversed sleep patterns, sensory deprivation, and diets of bread and water on detainees whenever they wished, according to newly obtained documents.

The U.S. policy, details of which have not been previously disclosed, was approved in early September, shortly after an Army general sent from Washington completed his inspection of the Abu Ghraib jail and then returned to brief Pentagon officials on his ideas for using military police there to help implement the new high-pressure methods.

The documents obtained by The Washington Post spell out in greater detail than previously known the interrogation tactics Sanchez authorized, and make clear for the first time that, before last October, they could be imposed without first seeking the approval of anyone outside the prison. That gave officers at Abu Ghraib wide latitude in handling detainees.

Unnamed officials at the Florida headquarters of the U.S. Central Command, which has overall military responsibility for Iraq, objected to some of the 32 interrogation tactics approved by Sanchez in September, including the more severe methods that he had said could be used at any time in Abu Ghraib with the consent of the interrogation officer in charge.

 

[pelastration]

Like DOGS

Abu Ghraib General Says Told Prisoners 'Like Dogs'
Tue Jun 15, 2004 05:56 AM ET

Quotes from: http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5424274

LONDON (Reuters) - The U.S. general in charge of Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq was told by a military intelligence commander that detainees should be treated like dogs, she said in an interview broadcast on Tuesday.

Janis Karpinski, the one-star general responsible for the military police who ran prisons in Iraq when pictures were taken showing prisoners being abused, said she and her soldiers were being made scapegoats for abuse ordered by others.

In the interview with Britain's BBC radio, Karpinski said Geoffrey Miller, a two-star general sent to Iraq from the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, had ordered new procedures in cell blocs where Iraqis were interrogated.

"He said, at Guantanamo Bay we've learned that the prisoners have to earn every single thing they have," Karpinski said.

"He said they are like dogs, and if you allow them to believe at any point they are more than a dog then you've lost control of them."

and more ...

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Mr. Geoffrey Miller - a General - with profound insight in human rights - is actually the man in charge for all prisons in Iraq. Probably he call a prison a Zoo.

Added: Link to BBC Audio interview: http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/audio/40273000/rm/_40273233_karpinski07_notari.ram

 

[pelastration]

Here is a Washington Post link with several White House, Pentagon and Justice Department documents about interrogation policies and about the motivation on the (lack of) rights of some prisoners.

Some quotes of http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62516-2004Jun22.html


Feb. 1, 2002: Letter to President Bush From the Attorney General (49KB; from FindLaw)
The memo by Attorney General John D. Ashcroft summarized the Justice Department's position on why the Geneva Convention did not apply to al Qaeda and Taliban detainees. The memo was Ashcroft's personal response to the State Department position that, as a matter of law, the Geneva Conventions protected Taliban soldiers. Ashcroft warned that if the president sided with the State Department, American officials might wind up going to jail for violating U.S. and international laws.


Feb. 7, 2002: Justice Department Memo to the White House Counsel (49KB; from FindLaw)
A memo written by Jay S. Bybee, then head of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, advised White House counsel Alberto R. Gonzales that the president had "reasonable factual grounds" to determine that Taliban fighters captured in Afghanistan were not entitled to prisoner of war status.

 

[pelastration]

Why?

Ever asked why we don't see anymore photo's about the prison abuse. There are still many photo's out there never published. Senators said they were more violent. So?
Has the administration put some ban on it, pressed or warned newspapers and publishers?

 

[studentx]

Might it be that innocent people are being killed because of it?
I don't think there is any benefit to showing them. Perhaps to get the truth out there, but there are already dozens of innocent lifes taken because of anger over these photos. There are also countries who ban the Alqueda beheading videos. Most people don't even want to see those, but strangely enough do want to see Americans abusing others. Perhaps they only want to have their opinion of America confirmed?

 

[automaton]

Neurobiofeedback

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=neurobiofeedback

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+brainwashing+

given the brainwashabilty clearly available through malevolent use of this tek

what are the idiots doing

induced on hypnotic with a psychedelic drip iv
the highly trained victim is able to manipulate the neuro/biofeedback toys
ie pet/cat /eeg emg etc..

Till the reprogramming started

conciously the tech manipulated the feedback
as Shadern the threat began to feel the lsd21

a psychotomimetic state with now ingrained neurophysiologic psycho/neuroelectronic routines going awry :shy:
should this be common knowledge :blush:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...washing+electroconvulsive+therapy&btnG=Search

duh

 

[pelastration]

Might it be that innocent people are being killed because of it?
I don't think there is any benefit to showing them. Perhaps to get the truth out there, but there are already dozens of innocent lifes taken because of anger over these photos.

Yes that may be correct.

 

[Njorl]

Why?

Ever asked why we don't see anymore photo's about the prison abuse. There are still many photo's out there never published. Senators said they were more violent. So?
Has the administration put some ban on it, pressed or warned newspapers and publishers?

When it stops being news it starts being pornography. Shortly thereafter, the news stops showing it.

Njorl