Thermodynamics - PV Diagram of an Ideal Gas

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat absorbed by an ideal gas along different paths on a PV diagram, specifically paths ACB, ADB, and AB. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the heat absorbed on path AB, comparing their calculations with those from a solution manual.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the heat absorbed using the first law of thermodynamics, questioning the integrity of the solution manual's values. Some participants provide alternative perspectives on the calculations, particularly regarding the average pressure and the work done.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering differing interpretations of the calculations and questioning the assumptions made in the solution manual. There is no explicit consensus, but some guidance has been provided regarding the average pressure and the area under the graph.

Contextual Notes

The original poster references a PV diagram and specific equations related to ideal gases, indicating that the problem is set within the context of thermodynamics and ideal gas behavior. There is mention of potential discrepancies between personal calculations and those found in a solution manual.

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Thermodynamics -- PV Diagram of an Ideal Gas

Homework Statement



Right, I've got a PV diagram attached to make this easier to explain. The substance is an ideal gas.

I need to calculate the heat absorbed along the different paths ACB, ADB and AB. The first two are easy. The red lines in the diagram are isotherms.

Homework Equations



PV = NKT for an ideal gas.

QAB = ΔU + ΔW = ΔU + PΔV, U is internal energy, U = U(T) = CVT

For a monatomic ideal gas, CV = 3/2

The Attempt at a Solution



The change in internal energy is obviously just 3/2NK(4T1 - T1) = 9/2NKT1

The work done is P1(2V1 - V1) = NKT1

Thus the heat absorbed on the path AB is 11/2NKT1. My problem is the solution manual says it's 6NKT1.

It also says that ΔU + ΔW = 3/2(NK)(2T1) + 3/2P1V1 = 6NKT1 which obviously isn't true so I'm questioning it's integrity. It uses the fact that QAB = 6NKT1 in the proceeding problems as well so it's a little confusing.

Thanks for any help.
 

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The answer book is correct. For path AB, the average pressure is 3/2P1, and the volume change is V1.

Chet
 
Maybe_Memorie said:

Homework Statement



Right, I've got a PV diagram attached to make this easier to explain. The substance is an ideal gas.

I need to calculate the heat absorbed along the different paths ACB, ADB and AB. The first two are easy. The red lines in the diagram are isotherms.

Homework Equations



PV = NKT for an ideal gas.

QAB = ΔU + ΔW = ΔU + PΔV, U is internal energy, U = U(T) = CVT

For a monatomic ideal gas, CV = 3/2

The Attempt at a Solution



The change in internal energy is obviously just 3/2NK(4T1 - T1) = 9/2NKT1

The work done is P1(2V1 - V1) = NKT1

Thus the heat absorbed on the path AB is 11/2NKT1. My problem is the solution manual says it's 6NKT1.

It also says that ΔU + ΔW = 3/2(NK)(2T1) + 3/2P1V1 = 6NKT1 which obviously isn't true so I'm questioning it's integrity. It uses the fact that QAB = 6NKT1 in the proceeding problems as well so it's a little confusing.

Thanks for any help.
Chestermiller is right. The area under the graph from A-B is (P1+P2)(V2-V1)/2 = 3P1V1/2.

However, if the book says ΔU + ΔW = 3/2(NK)(2T1) + 3/2P1V1 , that is not correct. ΔU = 3/2(NK)(3T1) as you have noted.

AM
 
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