Transistor equivalent circuit question

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The discussion revolves around the equivalent circuit of a transistor, specifically focusing on calculating various parameters such as short-circuit input impedance (H11), open-circuit reverse voltage gain (H12), forward current gain (H21), and open-circuit output admittance (H22). The context is primarily homework-related, involving mathematical reasoning and circuit analysis.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a method for calculating H11, H12, H21, and H22, providing specific equations and values derived from the circuit analysis.
  • Another participant questions the determination of H21, asking for clarification on which resistor is carrying Iout and the direction of that current.
  • A participant identifies R2 as the resistor in question and discusses the use of the current divider rule, indicating a potential misunderstanding regarding the sign of the current.
  • There is a correction regarding the calculation of H21, with a participant acknowledging a typing error and providing the corrected formula and values.
  • Another participant points out the absence of the negative sign in the final expression for H21, leading to a subsequent correction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the approach to the problem, but there are discrepancies regarding the calculation of H21 and the correct application of signs in the equations. The discussion remains unresolved on some aspects of the calculations.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the resistor labels and current directions, which may affect the calculations. The discussion also reflects potential misunderstandings in applying circuit analysis techniques.

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This is the equivalent circuit to a transistor,
I am to find:
i )Short-circuit input impedance, H11
ii )Open-circuit reverse voltage gain, H12
iii)Forward current gain, H21
iv)Open-circuit output admittance, H22

Homework Equations



Vin = (H11)(Iin) + (H12)(Vout)
Iout = (H21)(Iin) + (H22)(Vout)

The Attempt at a Solution


So first i short the output, and the Vout = 0, then i have

Vin = (H11)(Iin)
Iout = (H21)(Iin)
H11 = R1 + R2//R3 = 110 Ω
H21 = -IR3 / Iin = 2/3

Then I open Iin source,
Vin = (H12)(Vout)
Iout = (H22)(Vout)

H12 = Vin / Vout
= (VR2 / Vout)
= 2/3
1/H22 = R3 + R2
H22 = 1/90 Ω -1

Am i doing this question correctly?

Reason of editing: Vin = V1; Vout = V2
Iin = I1 ; Iout = I2
 
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Your approach is fine.

Something funny going on with your determination of H21 though. Which resistor in your diagram is carrying Iout? And what's the labelled direction for that current?
 
Is it R2?

I use currendivider rule to find the current flow through R2, and i put negative sign because Iout is opposing the I_R2. So this is wrong?
 
H21 = -IR3 / Iin = 2/3

Ah didn't notice the typing error, it should be

H21 = -IR2 / Iin = 2/3

= 60 / (30 + 60)
= 2/3
 
null void said:
Ah didn't notice the typing error, it should be

H21 = -IR2 / Iin = 2/3

= 60 / (30 + 60)
= 2/3

Indeed :smile: Now, what happened to the minus sign?
 
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ah, -2/3..., thank you very much
 
null void said:
ah, -2/3..., thank you very much

Cheers.
 

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