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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the determination of the density of a metal and an unknown liquid based on their weights in air and water. The subject area includes concepts of buoyancy and density calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to find the densities without volume information. Some participants suggest using known values, such as the density of water, and explore the relationship between weight and buoyancy.

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Participants are actively discussing various approaches to calculate the densities. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between weight, buoyancy, and volume, but there is no explicit consensus on the method to be used.

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There is a mention of needing to be careful with weight and mass in calculations, and the original poster's attempts indicate a lack of complete information on how to proceed with the problem.

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Homework Statement




1. A piece of metal weighs 53.1 N in air, 36.6 N
in water, and 41.7 N in an unknown liquid.
Find the density of the metal.
Answer in units of kg/m3

2 Find the density of the unknown liquid.
Answer in units of kg/m3
2. Homework Equations [/b]

p= M/V

W= mg


The Attempt at a Solution


i have no clue how to do now?
how do i find the density of the metal and liquid w/out volume?

thanks a lot, really appreciate it!
 
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Hint: You should know the density of water
 
so is this what i should do:

W=mg
m= W/g
m = 36.6/9.8
m = 3.73 kg

then put this in

p= m/v
1000 = m/v
v = m/1000
v = 3.73/1000
v= 0.00373 meter cubed

then mass density of metal is

p = m/v
p = 3.73/0.00373
p = 1001.25 kg/mcubed

how should i find the density of unknown liquid
 
The upthrust is proportional to the weight of the liquid displaced. The block is completely submerged so the volume is the same for water and for the liquid.
You can calculate the upthrust in each case.
The upthrust in water is volume of water times density. That allows you to calculate the volume.

This volume produces the other value of upthrust so you can then work out the density because you know everything else you need. (weight of liquid displaced and volume)

You just need to be careful to use weight and mass where appropriate in order to come out with the right value for density.
Logical step by step and believe it will work.
Hint: As a quick reality check, the amount of upthrust from the unknown liquid is less but not a huge amount less so the density answer you get should be similar in proportion to that of water.
 

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