Triple Integral, Spherical Coordinates

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a triple integral involving a spherical coordinate transformation. The integral is defined over a sphere of radius R, with a specific integrand that includes a variable 'a' which is greater than R. Participants are exploring the complexities of setting up the integral and the implications of the spherical coordinate system on the boundaries of integration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of spherical coordinates to simplify the integrand and the challenges in determining the boundaries of the integral. Some suggest rewriting the integrand in a different form to facilitate integration, while others explore the implications of changing the order of integration.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided insights into potential methods for integration, while others are questioning the effectiveness of their current strategies. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but several productive lines of reasoning have been presented.

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Participants note that the variable 'a' is greater than the radius R, which influences the setup of the integral and the evaluation process. There are indications of complexity in the integration process, particularly regarding the transformation to spherical coordinates and the resulting boundaries.

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Homework Statement


Calculate:
integral B [ 1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+(z-a)^2) ] dx dy dz , when B is the sphere of radius R around (0,0,0), a>R.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried spherical coordinates for the integrand:
x=rsin(p)cos(t)
y=rsin(p)sin(t)
z=rcos(p)+a
The problem is when I try to find the boundaries of the integral, it gets extremely complicated.
If I try to choose the trivial spherical coordinates to make B easier, then the integrand gets very complicated. So I can't seem to find a way out.

Thanks!
 
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Well if you write it this way:

1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2-2za+a^2) = 1/sqrt(r^2 - 2ra cos (p)+a^2)

and then you have an integral where r from 0 to R, t from 0 to 2pi and p from 0 to pi.

First integrate wrt t, you have an integral of the form:
sin(p)dp/sqrt(r^2-2ra cos(p) +a^2)= -d(cos(p))/sqrt(r^2+a^2-2ra cos(p))
which an integral of the form:
dx/sqrt(A+Bx)
which equals:
2 sqrt(A+Bx)/B

After that you get an integral for r which is of the form:
r^2/r [ sqrt((a+r)^2)-sqrt((r-a)^2)] dr
Now because r<R<a we have sqrt((r-a)^2) = a-r.

Well I think I gave you more than a hint.
 
not sure how useful it is is but may give some insight
\int \int \int_V \frac{1}{\sqrt{(x^2+y^2+(z-a)^2}} dx dy dz

so how about letting
\vec{r} = \vec{x} + (0,0,a)^T

which centres the co-ords on the integrand symmetry, so now we have
\int_V dV \frac{1}{ |r|}

now consider a function in spherical coords
\vec{v} = (v(r),0,0)^T

calculating the divergence of v in spherical coords and equating with the integrand gives
\nabla \bullet \vec{v} =\frac{1}{r^2} \frac{\partial }{\partial r}(r^2 v(r)) = \frac{1}{r}

so choose v(r) = 1/2 and we can re-write the integral using divergence theorem
\int_V dV \nabla \bullet \vec{v} = \int_V dV \frac{1}{ r} = \oint_S \vec{v} \bullet \vec{dS}

though i think it would get pretty messy to go on..
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
Well if you write it this way:

1/sqrt(x^2+y^2+z^2-2za+a^2) = 1/sqrt(r^2 - 2ra cos (p)+a^2)

and then you have an integral where r from 0 to R, t from 0 to 2pi and p from 0 to pi.

First integrate wrt t, you have an integral of the form:
sin(p)dp/sqrt(r^2-2ra cos(p) +a^2)= -d(cos(p))/sqrt(r^2+a^2-2ra cos(p))
which an integral of the form:
dx/sqrt(A+Bx)
which equals:
2 sqrt(A+Bx)/B

After that you get an integral for r which is of the form:
r^2/r [ sqrt((a+r)^2)-sqrt((r-a)^2)] dr
Now because r<R<a we have sqrt((r-a)^2) = a-r.

Well I think I gave you more than a hint.

Well, I tried integrating by dp before dr.. it seems to work.
I get:
sqrt{r^2+a^2-2ra cos(p)} / {a*r}
and when I put the limits 0..pi, I get that:
r^2 * {|a+r|-|a-r|} / {a*r}
since a>R>r, I can remove the absolute value and my final answer is:
{4*pi*R^3} / {3*a}

It never occoured to me changing the order of integration will solve this.. thanks a lot!
 

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