Two conducting cables - Gauss' Law

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a coaxial cable with given linear charge densities on its inner and outer conductors. Participants are tasked with finding the electric field at a specific distance from the axis, utilizing Gauss' Law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the necessity of symmetry for applying Gauss' Law and question how to handle the geometry of the coaxial cable. There is mention of converting charge density into total charge and the implications of using a Gaussian surface.

Discussion Status

Some participants have suggested using a cylindrical Gaussian surface to analyze the electric field, while others express uncertainty about how to maintain symmetry when encompassing both conductors. The discussion is ongoing with various interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of cylindrical symmetry versus spherical symmetry in the context of applying Gauss' Law. There is a focus on the specific geometry of the coaxial cable and the distances involved.

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Homework Statement



The cross section of a long coaxial cable is shown in the figure, with radii as given. The linear charge density on the inner conductor is -80 nC/m and the linear charge density on the outer conductor is -10 nC/m. The inner and outer cylindrical surfaces are respectively denoted by A, B, C, and D, as shown. (ε 0 = 8.85 × 10-12 C2/N · m2) What is the magnitude of the electric field at a point that is 61 mm from the axis?

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Homework Equations



Electric Flux = ∫E dot dA = Qencl/ε 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Honestly I have no clue how to start this problem. From the problem, it looks like you need to use Gauss' Law to calculate the electric field, but in order to use Gauss' Law, don't you need electric field lines that penetrate the Gaussian surface with symmetry? These appear to be circular cylinders and would hit, a sphere for example, at different directions across the surface. The magnitude would be different at different points of the sphere, making for a difficult integral. If I were to start, then I suppose you would need to convert the charge density into total charge. In this case, the charge density of the inner conductor is -80nC/m. Since charge density is charge/area, then the total charge would be -80nC * surface area of the inner conductor which would be 2∏(1mm) * 2∏(28mm)?
 
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kbwelch17 said:

Homework Statement



The cross section of a long coaxial cable is shown in the figure, with radii as given. The linear charge density on the inner conductor is -80 nC/m and the linear charge density on the outer conductor is -10 nC/m. The inner and outer cylindrical surfaces are respectively denoted by A, B, C, and D, as shown. (ε 0 = 8.85 × 10-12 C2/N · m2) What is the magnitude of the electric field at a point that is 61 mm from the axis?

2lxtlas.png


Homework Equations



Electric Flux = ∫E dot dA = Qencl/ε 0

The Attempt at a Solution



Honestly I have no clue how to start this problem. From the problem, it looks like you need to use Gauss' Law to calculate the electric field, but in order to use Gauss' Law, don't you need electric field lines that penetrate the Gaussian surface with symmetry? These appear to be circular cylinders and would hit, a sphere for example, at different directions across the surface. The magnitude would be different at different points of the sphere, making for a difficult integral. If I were to start, then I suppose you would need to convert the charge density into total charge. In this case, the charge density of the inner conductor is -80nC/m. Since charge density is charge/area, then the total charge would be -80nC * surface area of the inner conductor which would be 2∏(1mm) * 2∏(28mm)?
Spherical symmetry isn't the only type of symmetry. You have cylindrical symmetry in this case. If you were to rotate the system around the axis, nothing really changes, right?
 
Ah, so the Gaussian surface you would use around each is a circular cylinder?
 
Exactly.
 
I am still a little lost on this problem. I am trying to use a Gaussian surface at a distance of 61mm. How can you encompass both cylinders with one Gaussian surface while preserving symmetry?
 

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