What Is the Acceleration of Block B in a Two-Mass Pulley System?

In summary, the acceleration of block B is twice the acceleration of the pulley, which is equal to g/7. The acceleration of block A is equal to g/7.
  • #1
Neolight

Homework Statement


In the figure shown if the system is released from rest, acceleration of block B will be
(a). g/2
(b). g/3
(c). 2g/3
(d). g/7

Homework Equations


ma= F[net]
taking the direction of motion as positive
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The Attempt at a Solution



So my attempt was to first find tension in the string connected to Mass 3M from
3Ma= 3Mg-T
T= 3M(g-a)

now the tension in the second string connected to the M say T1 is half of T ( am i correct?)
so
T1= T/2= 3Mg/2 - 3Ma/2

now equation of motion for the mass M

Ma= T1-Mg
Ma= M(3g/2 -3a/2 -g)

a = 3g/2 - g - 3a/2
a + 3a/2 = 3g/2 -g
5a/2= g/2
∴ a= g/5

where did i go wrong , because i looked up the answer and it is g/7
please help...
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Neolight said:

Homework Statement


In the figure shown if the system is released from rest, acceleration of block B will be
(a). g/2
(b). g/3
(c). 2g/3
(d). g/7

Homework Equations


ma= F[net]
taking the direction of motion as positive
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The Attempt at a Solution



So my attempt was to first find tension in the string connected to Mass 3M from
3Ma= 3Mg-T
T= 3M(g-a)

now the tension in the second string connected to the M say T1 is half of T ( am i correct?)
so
T1= T/2= 3Mg/2 - 3Ma/2

now equation of motion for the mass M

Ma= T1-Mg
Ma= M(3g/2 -3a/2 -g)

a = 3g/2 - g - 3a/2
a + 3a/2 = 3g/2 -g
5a/2= g/2
∴ a= g/5

where did i go wrong , because i looked up the answer and it is g/7
please help... [/B]

Acceleration of block B is not 'a' i.e it is not equal to that of block A .

But they have a simple relationship .
 
  • #3
Vibhor said:
Acceleration of block B is not 'a' i.e it is not equal to that of block A .

But they have a simple relationship .
can you please tell me the relationship between the two accelerations?
 
  • #4
Neolight said:
can you please tell me the relationship between the two accelerations?

If the lower pulley goes down by a distance 'x' how much does block B go down ?
 
  • #5
Vibhor said:
If the lower pulley goes down by a distance 'x' how much does block B go down ?
since the string isn't directly connected to the pulley so they won't travel the same distance, the string goes along the circumference of the pulley, this is as far as i can think sorry I'm really bad at this type of thinking
 
  • #6
Neolight said:
since the string isn't directly connected to the pulley so they won't travel the same distance, the string goes along the circumference of the pulley, this is as far as i can think sorry I'm really bad at this type of thinking

No problem .

Suppose you hold block B i.e you do not allow it to move .Now let lower pulley go down by distance 'x' , how much string length of string whose one end is fixed at ground and other end connects block B , goes slack/loose ?

Hint: Carefully look at both the left and right parts of string going over lower pulley .
 
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  • #7
Vibhor said:
No problem .

Suppose you hold block B i.e you do not allow it to move .Now let lower pulley go down by distance 'x' , how much string length of string whose one end is fixed at ground and other end connects block B , goes slack/loose ?

Hint: Carefully look at both the left and right parts of string going over lower pulley .
its half the circumference (πr) so if the pulley moves up say x distance the mass B will move πr +x ?
 
  • #8
Neolight said:
its half the circumference (πr) so if the pulley moves up say x distance the mass B will move πr +x ?

No.

You do not need to worry about the part that lies on the pulley circumference . Why ?
Because before pulley moves down , πr length is over the pulley and after pulley moves down , same length πr is on the pulley circumference , so net change in the length of string as far as part that lies on the string is zero .

So forget about the part of string that lies on pulley circumference .

Just look at left and right parts of string .Pick a pen and paper and make a rough sketch . Without moving block B , move lower pulley down by a distance 'x' .

How much string length of left part gets loosened ?

How much string length of right part gets loosened ?

What is the total length of string that gets slack/loosened ?
 
  • #9
Vibhor said:
No.

You do not need to worry about the part that lies on the pulley circumference . Why ?
Because before pulley moves down , πr length is over the pulley and after pulley moves down , same length πr is on the pulley circumference , so net change in the length of string as far as part that lies on the string is zero .

So forget about the part of string that lies on pulley circumference .

Just look at left and right parts of string .Pick a pen and paper and make a rough sketch . Without moving block B , move lower pulley down by a distance 'x' .

How much string length of left part gets loosened ?

How much string length of right part gets loosened ?

What is the total length of string that gets slack/loosened ?
hahah i get it now 2x

so acceleration of block B will be two times the accelaration of the pulley

i have done the calculation using this result and now the answer is g/7 ... thanks for your help , i really appreciate it
 
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Well done !
 
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Neolight said:
i have done the calculation using this result and now the answer is g/7
Is this what you get for the acceleration of block B, or is it the acceleration of block A?
 
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  • #12
TSny said:
Is this what you get for the acceleration of block B, or is it the acceleration of block A?
It's for block B
 
  • #13
Neolight said:
It's for block B
Maybe I'm making a mistake, but I get that block A has the acceleration of g/7.
Do you agree with the following equations?

3Mg - TA = 3MaA

TB - Mg = MaB

TA = 2TB

aA = aB / 2
 
  • #14
TSny said:
Maybe I'm making a mistake, but I get that block A has the acceleration of g/7.
Do you agree with the following equations?

3Mg - TA = 3MaA

TB - Mg = MaB

TA = 2TB

aA = aB/2
Are you taking the acceleration of the block A and B as the same?
 
  • #15
Neolight said:
Are you taking the acceleration of the block A and B as the same?
No. See the last equation I wrote.
 
  • #16
TSny said:
No. See the last equation I wrote.
The acceleration of block B will be two times that of block A while tension of Block B will be half that of block A
 
  • #17
Neolight said:
The acceleration of block B will be two times that of block A while tension of Block B will be half that of block A
Yes, that agrees with the 3rd and 4th equations that I wrote.
 
  • #18
TSny said:
Yes, that agrees with the 3rd and 4th equations that I wrote.
I have done the math again ... And the result is

Acceleration for block A is g/7 and for B is 2g/7

Correct?

I made a mistake in a my previous math
 
  • #19
Neolight said:
Acceleration for block A is g/7 and for B is 2g/7
OK, good. That's what I get, too.
 
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What is a two-mass pulley system?

A two-mass pulley system is a mechanical system consisting of two masses connected by a rope or belt that runs over a pulley. The two masses are usually different and are connected by a flexible rope, making them move in opposite directions.

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