Two reels rolling without slipping

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of two identical cylindrical reels rolling on the ground, focusing on their angular acceleration and the work done by a force over a time interval. The problem involves concepts from rotational motion and torque.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the torques acting on each cylinder and their implications for angular acceleration. There are attempts to derive relationships between forces and torques, as well as questions about the setup involving the rope and its interaction with the reels.

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Some participants are exploring the correctness of the torque equations and their consequences for angular acceleration. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the mechanics of the system, with some participants questioning their assumptions and seeking clarification on the setup.

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Participants express uncertainty about the role of the rope and its behavior on the reels, indicating a need for further exploration of the problem's assumptions. There is also mention of applying the kinetic energy theorem in the context of work done.

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I have two cylindric reels laying on the ground. They are identical: mass M, composed by a cylinder of radius R and two side cylinders of radius 2R. I have to find angular acceleration and work done by F in delta t.

2. The attempt at a solution

On the first cylinder the torque is ##\tau_1=3RF-RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##
as the rope isn't extensible the two cylinders should have the same angular acceleration.
So ##\alpha_1=\alpha_2##
##3RF-3RT=RT##
##T=-\frac{3}{2} F##

##\alpha=R/I *3/2 F=\frac{3RF}{2I}##
Angular velocity of cylinder is ##\omega = \alpha t = \frac{3RF}{2I} t##.
Kinetic energy of the first cylinder is ##1/2 I \omega^2= \frac{9R^2F^2t^2}{8I}## and this is also the work done by F plus the work done by T on the first cylinder. But as ##T/F=-3/2## and they are applied in the same way with respect to the displacement I expect ##W_T/W_F=-3/2## so ##W_F=2/5 \Delta K##. Is it correct?
Thanks a lot
 
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bznm said:
On the first cylinder the torque is ##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##
as the rope isn't extensible the two cylinders should have the same angular acceleration.
Interesting, can you explain ?
The rope can roll up (or off) on the reels, I presume ?
[edit] A bit late, but I get it. Let me sit back and think a little longer before posting :nb)
 
BvU said:
Interesting, can you explain ?
The rope can roll up (or off) on the reels, I presume ?
Oh my gosh, you're right.. I'm totally wrong(i don't know why but I considered it as a rod) and I don't know what to do now :/
 
But the "##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##" is correct. That gives angular acceleration and therefore also (uniformly) accelerated translation
 
BvU said:
But the "##\tau_1=3RF−RT##, while on the second is ##\tau_2=RT##" is correct. That gives angular acceleration and therefore also (uniformly) accelerated translation
I tried: (where A is friction force)
## F-A-T=M a_1 = M \alpha_1 2R ##
## T-A=M a_2 = M \alpha_2 2R ##

Subtracting, I get: ##F-2T=M(2R)(\alpha_1-\alpha_2)##
##F-2T=M(2R)\frac{3RF-2RT}{I}##
##T=F\frac{1+6MR^2 / I}{2+4MR^2 / I}##

Is it correct?
What about the work? Is it correct my reasoning in applying kinetic energy theorem?
 

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