Understanding NPN BJT Transistor: Ic & Ib Ratios

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding of the NPN BJT transistor, specifically focusing on the relationship between the collector current (Ic) and the base current (Ib), and the terminology used to describe input and output currents in different configurations of the transistor.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • Chen questions why Ic is considered the output current when its direction is into the collector, contrasting with the direction of electron flow.
  • Dave suggests that Ic is proportional to Ib within the linear range of the device, implying a relationship between the two currents.
  • Another participant argues that the terms "input" and "output" refer to signal flow rather than current flow, providing examples of different transistor configurations (Common Emitter, Common Base, Common Collector) to illustrate this point.
  • A later reply generalizes that the controlling signal is the input and the controlled signal is the output, which aligns with the previous explanation of signal flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology of input and output in relation to current flow and signal flow, indicating that there is no consensus on the definitions used in the context of NPN BJT transistors.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes varying interpretations of input and output based on different transistor configurations, which may depend on specific applications or contexts. There are also assumptions about the linear range of operation that are not explicitly defined.

chenrim
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Hi i have have a small question regrading to a NPN BJT transistor.

the DC current gain (beta) is the ratio between Ic/Ib where Ic and Ib are the collector and base currents respectively.

Ib is the input current, that's alright , but, i don't get why Ic considered as the output?
in NPN BJT Ic's direction is into the collector (and the electrons direction is the opposite)

please help me for understanding this issue
thanks,
Chen
 
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chenrim said:
Ib is the input current, that's alright , but, i don't get why Ic considered as the output?

because Ic is proportional to Ib ( at least within the linear range of the device)

there's many good www sites explaining the operations of transistors
some simple googling with give you hours of fun reading :)

Dave
 
chenrim said:
Ib is the input current, that's alright , but, i don't get why Ic considered as the output?

It's purely wording, not science.
"Input" and "output" usually refer to direction of signal flow, not current flow.

Look at your three arrangements:
Common Emitter: Input goes to base, output taken from collector
this is the arrangement most often encountered
has both current gain and voltage gain

Common Base: Input goes to emitter, output taken from collector
Has voltage gain but not current gain

Common Collector, or Emitter Follower: Input goes to base, output taken from emitter
has current gain but not voltage gain

And observe that current flows into a NPN collector but out of a PNP collector.

Any help ?
 
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The controlling signal is the input, the controlled signal is the output. That's a reasonable generalization.
 

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