Velocity of cart launched by spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocities of two carts after a spring between them is released. The spring constant is 20 N/m, and the carts have masses of 5 kg and 3 kg, respectively, with the spring compressed by 1.3 m. The initial attempt to find the velocity of the 5 kg cart using force and kinetic energy equations was incorrect, as it neglected the interaction between both carts. The correct approach involves using energy conservation and momentum conservation principles, leading to a system of equations to solve for both velocities simultaneously. The final guidance emphasizes that substituting one variable into the other will simplify the algebra needed to find the solution.
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Homework Statement


A massless spring of spring constant 20 N/m is placed between two carts. Cart 1 has a mass M1 = 5 kg and Cart 2 has a mass M2 = 3 kg. The carts are pushed toward one another until the spring is compressed a distance 1.3 m. The carts are then released and the spring pushes them apart. After the carts are free of the spring, what are their speeds?

Homework Equations


K = 1/2 MV^2
F = -kX

The Attempt at a Solution


Once I find out how to solve for one I'll know how to solve for both, so let's just deal with the 5 kg cart.
Force in the Spring = 1.3 x 20 = 26
26 = 1/2 x (5) x V^2
10.4 = V^2
3.22 = V
Wrong. I suspect I made this much simpler than it really is... where did I go wrong?
 
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Once I find out how to solve for one I'll know how to solve for both, so let's just deal with the 5 kg cart.
That statement is incorrect, you have to deal with both of them at the same time.

So think of them in terms of Energy,

1/2kx^2 = 1/2m1v1^2 + 1/2m2v2^2
 
What is the x in 1/2 kx^2? Is that the distance the spring is stretched? That can't be right, but I'm not sure what else to put in there...
 
yes, x is the distance a spring is compressed (from equilibrium)
 
Okay, so:
1/2 x 20 x 1.3^2 = 1/2 (5) v1 ^2 + (3) v2 ^2
16.9 = 1/2 5 v1^2 + 1/2 3 v2^2
33.8 = 5 v1^2 + 3 v2^2

Also, 5v1 = 3v2 because of conservation of momentum.
So substituting 5/3 V1 in for V2 will hopefully result in being able to solve for V1.

33.8 = 5V1^2 + 3 (5/3V1)^2 right?
I don't see that I'm any closer to solving for V1...
 
TG3 said:
Okay, so:
1/2 x 20 x 1.3^2 = 1/2 (5) v1 ^2 + (3) v2 ^2
16.9 = 1/2 5 v1^2 + 1/2 3 v2^2
33.8 = 5 v1^2 + 3 v2^2

Also, 5v1 = 3v2 because of conservation of momentum.
So substituting 5/3 V1 in for V2 will hopefully result in being able to solve for V1.

33.8 = 5V1^2 + 3 (5/3V1)^2 right?
I don't see that I'm any closer to solving for V1...

Right. You can substitute one variable into the other equation which will allow you to solve for the other variable. (substituting in v1 solves for v2 and vice versa). You have one equation only with V1, so just solve it for V1. It's really just algebra at this point, you've got the physics down pat.
 
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