What is measured in a fast reactor for power calculation : fast neutron flux or

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The discussion focuses on the measurement of neutron flux in fast reactors for power calculation, specifically whether fast neutron flux or overall neutron flux (fast + thermal) is relevant. Participants explore the implications of flooding on fission chamber performance and the potential effects on power calculations during emergency situations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether fission chambers measure fast neutron flux or overall neutron flux, noting that chemical reactions may occur due to different types of neutrons.
  • Another participant clarifies that fission chambers in fast reactors do not rely on chemical reactions and are ion chambers that respond to fission events.
  • A participant raises a hypothetical scenario about the impact of flooding on a fission chamber's ability to measure neutron flux, suggesting that it may still perform adequately under such conditions.
  • Concerns are expressed about the implications of flooding on power calculations, particularly in emergency situations like tsunamis or earthquakes.
  • Discussion includes the potential risks associated with flooding in liquid metal fast reactors, particularly regarding sodium-water interactions and criticality concerns if water enters the core.
  • Participants note that ex-core detectors are designed to be sensitive to neutron detection even if the reactor cavity is flooded, but the performance under extreme conditions remains uncertain.
  • One participant mentions that tsunami and earthquake protection policies may have evolved since past incidents, indicating a consideration of safety measures in reactor design.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the impact of flooding on fission chamber performance and power calculations. While some suggest that flooding may not significantly affect measurements, others raise concerns about potential severe accidents and their implications. No consensus is reached on the overall effects of flooding in emergency scenarios.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of interactions between water and reactor materials, particularly in the context of liquid metal fast reactors. There is an emphasis on the need for further examples and considerations regarding in-core detectors and their use in fast reactors.

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What is measured in a fast reactor for power calculation : fast neutron flux or overall ( fast + thermal) neutron flux ?
My doubt is :
The fission chambers used for measuring neutron flux undergo chemical reactions due to which type of neutron : fast or thermal ?
 
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In a fast reactor there is no appreciable thermal flux since there is no moderator. Fission chambers use high enriched uranium or plutonium and absorb fast or thermal neutrons. They do not rely on chemical reactions, they are ion chambers which are excited by fission.
 
Thanks QuantumPion.
Actually, my doubt arose because I imagined:
If the fission chamber placed below safety vessel ( ex-core) in a fast reactor is suddenly flooded with water ( eg. in a Tsunami or flood), will there be any negative impact on the power calculation ?
I mean, if a fission chamber is capable of measuring fast neautron flux, it will be by default also capable of measuring thermal flux. As the fission chamber is surroundded by water now ( as I imagined), does it means that there would be no major effect on fission chamber performance? it would be more or less show same power?
 
paawansharmas said:
Thanks QuantumPion.
Actually, my doubt arose because I imagined:
If the fission chamber placed below safety vessel ( ex-core) in a fast reactor is suddenly flooded with water ( eg. in a Tsunami or flood), will there be any negative impact on the power calculation ?
I mean, if a fission chamber is capable of measuring fast neautron flux, it will be by default also capable of measuring thermal flux. As the fission chamber is surroundded by water now ( as I imagined), does it means that there would be no major effect on fission chamber performance? it would be more or less show same power?

If there was an emergency situation, the reactor would be shut down and the power-range detectors would not be in use. Fission chambers are in-core detectors and are only used at power during normal operation. The ex-core detectors are in direct contact with the sides of the vessel and are sensitive enough to detect neutrons which must travel through the entire core, barrel, coolant and vessel. They would not be directly affected if the reactor cavity was flooded.
 
thank you for the reply.

So it can be fairly assumed that in case of a tsunami for eg. , and considering the full integrity of the reactor structure, if water floods to the ex-core detector, there would be not much problem. But what if there is a severe accident like in earthquake ( followed by tsunami)?
 
and also, what are the problems associated with ex-core detectors?
 
paawansharmas said:
thank you for the reply.

So it can be fairly assumed that in case of a tsunami for eg. , and considering the full integrity of the reactor structure, if water floods to the ex-core detector, there would be not much problem. But what if there is a severe accident like in earthquake ( followed by tsunami)?
If water were to flood a liquid metal fast reactor such that the excore detectors were flooded, I'd be more worried about a sodium-water interaction, if the reactor was Na or NaK cooled. If it's Pb-Bi, that's not so much a problem.

If water got into the core, then there would be a concern about criticality.

Fast reactors may also use incore detectors, but off-hand, I can't think of an example. I'll look later for an example.

I would imagine that tsunami and earthquake protection policies have become more stringent since the Fukushima accident. In the US, fast reactors tend to be constructed inland, far from tsunamis, and generally in areas of low seismic activity, and historically low magnitude (< mag 5) earthquakes.
 
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