What is the maximum torque on a square shaped wire with given parameters?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum torque on a square shaped wire subjected to a magnetic field, with specific parameters provided. The problem involves concepts from electromagnetism and rotational dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the relationship between torque, current, and magnetic field strength, with varying interpretations of the equations involved. Questions arise regarding the inclusion of certain terms in the equations, particularly the role of angular frequency and resistance in calculating current.

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There is an active exchange of ideas, with some participants questioning the validity of specific terms in the torque equations and others attempting to clarify the relationships between the variables. No consensus has been reached, and multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored.

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Participants are discussing the implications of the area vector's orientation relative to the magnetic field and the assumptions made in deriving the equations for torque and current. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a general equation for torque before determining maximum values.

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Homework Statement


Find the maximum torque on a square shaped wire provided N=120; l=4cm;R=10##\Omega##; B=0.2 T ; ##\omega=200 revs/sec##

Homework Equations


##\tau=IaBsin(\theta)##
##\epsilon=\frac{d}{dt}\Phi##

The Attempt at a Solution


##i=\frac{\epsilon}{R}=-\frac{\frac{d}{dt} (BAcos\omega t)}{R}##
##i_{max}=\frac{NBA\omega}{R}##
##\tau=il^2 B sin(\omega t)##
##\tau_{max}=il^2B = 2.6x10^-5 Nm##

This solution depends on the fact that my area vector is initially parallel to the magnetic field.
 
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Shouldn't it be since
the torque on the coil is τ = BANi and i = BANω/R we have that
∴ τ = (BAN)2ω/R
= 29,5x10-3 Nm
?
 
I don't see why the term ##\omega/R## is in there (the equation for current). Could you please explain? thanks
 
davidbenari said:
##i=\frac{\epsilon}{R}=-\frac{\frac{d}{dt} (BAcos\omega t)}{R}##
##i_{max}=\frac{NBA\omega}{R}##
##\tau=il^2 B sin(\omega t)##
##\tau_{max}=il^2B = 2.6x10^-5 Nm##
This is not valid. It is not the case that ##\tau(t)=i_{max}l^2 B sin(\omega t)##. You cannot take the max value until you have the general equation for ##\tau(t)##.
 
But you also have it ? ... i = emf/R = NBAω {sin(θ)} /R
That is the emf is the time derivative of the magnetic flux is NBAω sin(θ)
I think what haruspex is saying is that there is another time varying term
for the torque. So you have a sin(θ)cos(θ) term in the general equation for the torque?
 
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