What is the solution to the Wedge-Spring-Block Problem?

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The discussion centers on the Wedge-Spring-Block Problem, where participants debate the role of the spring in determining the answer. There is confusion about whether the spring should be considered irrelevant, as it does not appear in the final answer. Participants suggest using conservation of energy to derive the solution, assuming the block is released with the spring at its relaxed length. The calculations indicate that the gravitational force and spring force must be balanced for the block to move, leading to the conclusion that answer (A) is correct. Overall, the problem is viewed as poorly worded, but a consensus emerges on the intended assumptions.
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I can't figure out how the answer is (A). The spring is the problem. I thought the spring would just extend and whole thing would act like a string.
If there were no spring then the answer come out to be (6/5)m. Please help.
 
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DSM_ said:
I thought the spring would just extend and whole thing would act like a string.
If there were no spring then the answer come out to be (6/5)m. Please help.
I agree, and since k does not appear in any of the answers, the questioner agrees the spring is irrelevant.
My guess is that the coefficient was supposed to be 1/4.
 
Even when the gravitational force exerted on the block M is equal to the spring force exerted on block M, the block is still moving. Your method presumes that this is not true. If you use conservation of energy to solve for the maximum spring force, answer (A) can be arrived at.
 
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AlephNumbers said:
Even when the gravitational force exerted on the block M is equal to the spring force exerted on block M, the block is still moving. Your method presumes that this is not true. If you use conservation of energy to solve for the maximum spring force, answer (A) can be arrived at.
You are assuming that block M is released with the spring just taut, i.e. at its relaxed length. Yes, that gives answer A, so that is probably what is intended, but I see nothing in the problem statement to justify that assumption.
 
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Okay, I have to do it with energy conservation.
If block is released when spring is relaxed, if it moves x downwards,
Work done by grav = Potential energy of Spring.
1/2kx^2 = Mgx
kx = 2Mg
Then tension is kx everywhere in string. Then equating to (friction + mgsin37) gives answer (A).

Is this correct?
 
DSM_ said:
Okay, I have to do it with energy conservation.
If block is released when spring is relaxed, if it moves x downwards,
Work done by grav = Potential energy of Spring.
1/2kx^2 = Mgx
kx = 2Mg
Then tension is kx everywhere in string. Then equating to (friction + mgsin37) gives answer (A).

Is this correct?
Seems so. Still a poorly worded question, and congratulations to AlephNumbers for guessing what was meant.
 
haruspex said:
Seems so. Still a poorly worded question, and congratulations to AlephNumbers for guessing what was meant.

I think questioner want us to assume that the spring is relaxed otherwise there wouldn't be any spring at all.

Yup, thanks AlephNumbers :)
 
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