What is the Speed of Sound from Resonance?

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The discussion centers on calculating the speed of sound using resonance in a plastic tube placed in water. A 256 Hz tuning fork is used to identify two positions of maximum loudness, with a 65 cm difference in tube length. The problem involves understanding that only odd harmonics resonate in a closed-ended column, leading to a frequency difference of 512 Hz between the two positions. The relationship between the tube length and wavelength is crucial, as the 65 cm corresponds to half a wavelength in the longer tube scenario. By applying the resonance conditions and known frequencies, the speed of sound can be calculated effectively.
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Homework Statement


One end of a plastic tube, open at both ends, is placed into a large container of water. A 256 Hz tuning fork, continuously vibrating, is held over the end of the tube in the air and the tube is raised until maximum loudness is observed. The plastic tube is then raised until the next position of maximum loudness is found. This new position is 65 cm higher than the first. Calculate the speed of sound.

Homework Equations


v = f x λ
λ = 4 x L (L = length of tube)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since this is a closed ended column of air, only the odd harmonics are capable of resonating. Thus the two positions must correspond to a frequency difference of 512 HZ (ie. the difference between successive odd harmonics).

The 65 cm difference in tube length must correspond to the wavelength. The first situation λ1 = 4 x L. In the second situation, λ2 = 4(L+.65)

Anyway, here is where I keep getting bogged down.

The velocity has to be the same in both situations, so

v = f1λ1 = f2λ2

or f1(4L) = f2 (4L + 2.60)

Also

f1 - f2 = 512

3 variables and 2 equations...seems like I am over-complicating this problem, but if I can figure out either of the sets of frequency and wavelength in the two situations I should be good to go. What am I missing?
 
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So, this seems to boil down to that 65 cm corresponding to 1/2 wavelength in the long tube situation...but I do not understand why this is so...
 
The frequency is the same in both cases. So it's the wavelength.
The resonance conditions are different. The length of the empty tube must fit an odd number of lambda/4.
In the first case the length of the empty region can be for example 5*lambda/4 and in the second case 7*lambda/4.
The difference (known) can be used to calculate lambda and then v (because you know f already.
 
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