What is the total probability of finding a particle in a one-dimensional box

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the total probability of finding a particle in a one-dimensional box at a specific quantum level (n = 3) within a defined interval (from x = 0 to x = L/6). The context includes elements of quantum mechanics, particularly the relationship between wavefunctions and probability, and the potential use of calculus in solving the problem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire to solve the problem without calculus due to their background in chemistry, questioning the total probability in a specific range.
  • Another participant asks how the probability of finding a particle relates to the wavefunction, indicating a need for clarification on this relationship.
  • A response suggests that while it may be challenging to approach quantum mechanics without calculus, it is possible to simplify the problem by setting L = 1 and visualizing the wavefunction and probability density.
  • One participant later requests a calculus-based approach to solving the problem, indicating they have some familiarity with calculus despite the course not requiring it.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding the relationship between the wavefunction and probability density, suggesting that drawing figures could aid in grasping the concept.
  • A mention is made of the Schrödinger equation and how the wavefunction is derived from it, indicating that calculus plays a role in verifying solutions to the equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of calculus for solving the problem, with some suggesting it can be approached without it, while others advocate for a calculus-based method. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of the participants' backgrounds in mathematics and the varying levels of comfort with calculus, which may affect their ability to engage with the problem fully. There is also an acknowledgment that visual aids may help in understanding the concepts involved.

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Hi,
This is my first equation that I need to solve and both my textbook and professor have not shown me how to do it. I'm in chemistry and there isn't a prerequisite for calculus so I was wondering if I could be shown a way to solve this problem without doing calculus but if there isn't a way, the answer will still be beneficial.

Thanks

What is the total probability of finding a particle in a one-dimensional box in level n = 3 between x = 0 and x = L/6?

Homework Equations


Psi = sqrt(2/L)sin(n pi x /L)
 
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You will probably get some funny looks here about a QM course without calculus. You are not actually forbidden to learn any. You'll have to be smarter to do QM without it than with - but you can do this problem.

You can't without knowing what a sine is and what its graph looks like, what pi and radians are. Maybe that counts as pre-calculus.

Useful to realize until you are more used to it, in a problem like this you are allowed to set L = 1 if you find that simplifies for you. Because L is just a length which is measured in some units and I am going to measure it in units so that it comes to 1. (in some other probs. where real lengths are given you may not have this freedom.)

Then draw a picture of what that function looks like. You can probably then guess the answer.

However the question asks you about probability and you really must know what the relation of your psi is to the probability of finding a particle in a certain space - in this case in a certain length. So do another picture of what that 'probability density' looks like in your problem. Then basically the regularity or symmetry of your pic will give you the answer.

You are going to have to think smart like this for other problems (calculus does some of the thinking for you).
 
thanks for the reply, can you show me using calculus because even though the class doesn't require it, I've already taken it so maybe that would be the best approach.
 
bamboy192 said:
thanks for the reply, can you show me using calculus because even though the class doesn't require it, I've already taken it so maybe that would be the best approach.

It would be bad if my general comments influenced you to not just solve that problem in the way I indicated, making you think you need to wait till you have studied something else. Just draw those two figs and I hope it will be obvious.

If you have done a bit then you will know the bit of math I suggested you use. Which is almost not calculus though it gets a lot treated in calculus courses and physical applications.

The calculus comes in in getting that equation that the Prof gave you. It is obtained from the 1-dimensional quantum wave equation aka the Schrödinger equation. If you know that equation a bit of calculus you can then verify that it is a solution of the Schrödinger equation in the particular case of Particle in a Box. It is an exercise in differentiation.
 

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