Why Does a2 Equal m1g/m2 in an Accelerating Pulley System?

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In an accelerating pulley system, the acceleration of m1 and m2 is derived from the forces acting on them, specifically m1g. The confusion arises from incorrectly treating m1 and m2 as a single system when calculating acceleration, leading to the mistaken conclusion that a2 equals m1g/(m1+m2). The correct acceleration for m2 is actually m1g/(m2+m1), as it accounts for the forces acting specifically on m2. Additionally, external forces from the wall and pulley must be considered when analyzing the system. Understanding these dynamics clarifies why a2 equals m1g/m2 rather than the previously assumed formula.
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a1 = a2
a1 = F/(M+m1+m2) | Force/(Mass of entire system) = acceleration of entire system
*a2 = (m1g)/(m2+m1) | Force = m1g; acceleration of m2 and m1 = m1g/(m1+m2)

My answer: F = (m1g)(M+m1+m2)/(m2+m1)
The book's answer: F = (m1g)(M+m1+m2)/(m2)
*This step is what leads me to a slight variation of the book's provided answer.

I've looked through the forums, and have done a lot of thinking myself, and I believe what it comes down to is a false assumption. I understand that the force pulling m1 and m2 is m1g, and that the tension that then pulls m2 is equal to m1g, leading to an acceleration of m1g/m2 and subsequently the correct answer, but I do not understand what is incorrect about concluding that the system (looking at m2 and m1) as a whole accelerates at m1g/(m1+m2). Gut feeling tells me that the conclusion I've made is incorrect because the acceleration would be m1g/(m1+m2) in an inertial frame, but not in this case because it is part of an accelerating system.

Why does a2 = m1g/m2 rather than a2 = m1g/(m1+m2)?
 

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CausticPhantom said:
but I do not understand what is incorrect about concluding that the system (looking at m2 and m1) as a whole accelerates at m1g/(m1+m2).
You have here considered m1 and m2 as a system, but the force you quote is not the force on that system, it is the force on m2 only.
 
Orodruin said:
You have here considered m1 and m2 as a system, but the force you quote is not the force on that system, it is the force on m2 only.

Is there another force that I would need to account for, such as the applied force on M?
 
CausticPhantom said:
Is there another force that I would need to account for, such as the applied force on M?
There are forces acting from the wall on m1 and from the pulley on the rope. Computing these forces is not necessary if you chose a better system to consider.
 
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