Will absolute zero change with pressure?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of absolute zero in the context of an ideal gas, specifically examining whether decreasing pressure while maintaining constant volume at absolute zero could result in temperatures below absolute zero. The scope includes theoretical considerations based on the ideal gas law.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether it is possible for a gas to go below absolute zero when pressure is decreased while keeping volume constant, referencing the ideal gas law (PV=nRT).
  • One participant asserts that temperature cannot go below absolute zero, indicating a fundamental limit.
  • Another participant notes that empirical evidence shows temperatures below 0 K have not been achieved, suggesting that reaching such a state would alter the equations governing gas behavior.
  • A participant emphasizes that according to the ideal gas law, at T=0, either pressure or volume must also be zero, thus negating the possibility of negative temperature through pressure or volume adjustments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of decreasing pressure at absolute zero, with some asserting that negative temperatures are impossible while others suggest that theoretical exploration is warranted. The discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the ideal gas law and its implications, but there are limitations in the assumptions made regarding the behavior of gases at absolute zero and the definitions of temperature and pressure in this context.

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Say we are talking about an ideal gas.

According to ideal gas law (PV=nRT), assuming the gas is now at absolute zero, if we further decrease the pressure of the environment, while keeping the container volume constant, will the gas goes under absolute zero?

I wasn't an expert in Physics so please enlighten me... :sorry:
 
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Walteholic said:
Say we are talking about an ideal gas.

According to ideal gas law (PV=nRT), assuming the gas is now at absolute zero, if we further decrease the pressure of the environment, while keeping the container volume constant, will the gas goes under absolute zero?

I wasn't an expert in Physics so please enlighten me... :sorry:
what is absolute 0 here
 
Walteholic said:
Say we are talking about an ideal gas.

According to ideal gas law (PV=nRT), assuming the gas is now at absolute zero, if we further decrease the pressure of the environment, while keeping the container volume constant, will the gas goes under absolute zero?

I wasn't an expert in Physics so please enlighten me... :sorry:
No, temperature cannot go below absolute zero.

Akhand said:
what is absolute 0 here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero
 
Walteholic said:
Say we are talking about an ideal gas.

According to ideal gas law (PV=nRT), assuming the gas is now at absolute zero, if we further decrease the pressure of the environment, while keeping the container volume constant, will the gas goes under absolute zero?

I wasn't an expert in Physics so please enlighten me... :sorry:
till now emp. below 0K is not achieved
the day we will achieve there will be a change in the eq.
 
Walteholic said:
PV=nRT
Look at the equation again. For T=0, either V=0 or P=0. You can't get a negative temperature out of it, because you can't have negative pressure nor negative volume.
In other words, you can't decrease pressure below no pressure, and you can't decrease volume below no volume, therefore you can't get negative temperature this way.
 
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