Work done in an Isobaric expansion

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The problem involves an isobaric expansion of nitrogen gas, where the gas undergoes a volume increase while maintaining constant pressure. The original poster presents a series of calculations related to heat transfer and work done during this process, as well as subsequent changes in pressure and temperature.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate work done using the equation W=-p(delta V) but questions the accuracy of their results. They also explore the relationship between moles of gas and mass, leading to a revision of their calculations.
  • Some participants suggest alternative methods for calculating the number of moles and question the assumptions made regarding the gas properties.
  • Others introduce concepts such as the first law of thermodynamics and suggest sketching a P-V diagram to visualize the process.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing various insights and approaches to the problem. There is no explicit consensus, but several productive directions have been suggested, including the use of thermodynamic principles and graphical representations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of including units in calculations and the need for clarity in the steps taken. There is a recognition of potential errors in initial assumptions regarding the number of moles and the calculations derived from them.

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Homework Statement



4.20g of nitrogen gas at 22.0 C and an initial pressure of 2.30 atm undergo an isobaric expansion until the volume has tripled.

A.)How much heat energy is transferred to the gas to cause this expansion?

b.)The gas pressure is then decreased at constant volume until the original temperature is reached. What is the gas pressure after the decrease?

c.)What amount of heat energy is transferred from the gas as its pressure decreases?


Homework Equations



Pv=nRT

W=-p(delta V)



The Attempt at a Solution



Ok so here is all of the steps that I take. I know it seems like I do more then I need to but I get all of the information I can in these problems so that I can memorize the ways to do it so here goes.

First the infromation that I have is

M = .0042kg
R=8.31
Ti = 295K (22+273)
Pi= 2.3 atm = (101325 * 2.3) = 233047.5
An= 14u = (14 * 1.661 x 10^-27) = 2.33 x 10^-26 Kg
M/kg = 2.33 x 10^-26 * 6.02 x 10^23 = .014 Kg
n= .3 mol
Vi= (.3 * 8.31 * 295)/233047.5 = .00315 m^3
Vf= .00315 * 3 = .00947

This is where I'm having a hard time. The equation I have tried using is

W=-p(delta V)

-233047.5 * (.00315 - .00947) = 1472.86 (this answer is wrong)

So what am I doing wrong?

So here is some more work that I have doen.

W=nR(deltaT) = 590.79
Tf= 590.79 + 22 = 612 C = 612 +273 = 885 K (That seems a little hot I'm pretty sure its not right but I can' get any other answer.)
 
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First the infromation that I have is

M = .0042kg
R=8.31
Ti = 295K (22+273)
Pi= 2.3 atm = (101325 * 2.3) = 233047.5
An= 14u = (14 * 1.661 x 10^-27) = 2.33 x 10^-26 Kg
M/kg = 2.33 x 10^-26 * 6.02 x 10^23 = .014 Kg
n= .3 mol
Vi= (.3 * 8.31 * 295)/233047.5 = .00315 m^3
Vf= .00315 * 3 = .00947

There is a MUCH easier way to convert mass into moles!
#moles = mass of substance / atomic weight of molecule
Your n value is wrong. Remember that there are TWO nitrogen atoms in a molecule of nitrogen gas.
 
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ok then that would make my n

n= .15 mol
Vi= .00158 m^3
Vf= .00474 m^3
W= 736.43 (which is also a wrong answer.)
I used W=-p(Vi-Vf)
 
I am sorry I can't really follow the work. Please include the units.

I would approach this problem this way...

First of all, I would sketch a P-V diagram. It starts at some pressure and volume and then undergoes an isobaric expansion tripling its side. With p on your vertical axis and v on horizontal axis on the diagram, draw the a horizontal line a across. If PV=nRT and p is constant P(3V)=nR(3T) right?
Knowing this, we know that if volume (3v) is constant the temperature drops back to T, P must drop to 1/3 P. Draw a vertical line down. The temperature is the same as the beginning so it will under an isothermal compression back to the original point.

Are you familiar with the first law of thermodynamic. du=dQ-dw where du=nC_p*dt and dw=n*C_v*dt? You are right that dw = p*dv

a)

the nitrogen undergoes an isobaric expansion to three times its original volume. nC_p*dt = n*C_v*dt - p*dv. then dq=n*C_v*dt = nC_p*dt+p*dv

b) We know that the compression is isochoric, meaning volume is not changed. Work is area under the curve so it is zero. du=dQ = n*C_v*dt

c) This is the isothermal compression. Again, use du= dQ-dw.
 

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