Work Required for Adiabatic Compression

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The discussion revolves around the work required for adiabatic compression of one mole of gas compressed to half its original volume. Participants explore the implications of the adiabatic process and the characteristics of the gas involved, particularly in the context of ideal gas behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work done and changes in internal energy, questioning the assumptions regarding initial temperature and the nature of the gas (ideal vs. monatomic). There are attempts to express the adiabatic condition in terms of temperature and volume, and to derive expressions for work based on these variables.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the equations involved and the implications of different assumptions. There is recognition of the need for specific values, such as initial temperature and heat capacity, to progress further in solving the problem.

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Participants note the absence of initial temperature values and the implications this has on determining the work done. The discussion includes references to specific heat capacities and the nature of the gas, indicating a focus on the conditions under which the problem is framed.

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Homework Statement


One mole of gas compressed to half of its original volume adiabatically, what is the work done?


Homework Equations



dE= dW + dQ (the d one the w and q should have the line though it)
pV^ α= constant = k

The Attempt at a Solution



As it is adiabatic dQ = 0
Meaning dE = dW

dW = -pdV = kv^-α dv

Integrating this with the limits 1/2 V and V.

I end up with

-κ[-v^(1-α)/(2-2α)]

Then I am stuck on where to go from there?
 
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chris_avfc said:

Homework Statement


One mole of gas compressed to half of its original volume adiabatically, what is the work done?
Are you given the temperature of the gas initially? Can we assume it is an ideal gas? If it is an ideal gas, can you determine its Cv ?

Homework Equations



dE= dW + dQ (the d one the w and q should have the line though it)
pV^ α= constant = k
Substitute nRT/V for P to put the adiabatic condition in terms of T and V.

The Attempt at a Solution



As it is adiabatic dQ = 0
Meaning dE = dW

dW = -pdV = kv^-α dv

Integrating this with the limits 1/2 V and V.
If you express the adiabatic condition in terms of T and V, it is simply a matter of finding the ratio of final T to initial T. Since W = ΔU you just have to find the change in U.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Are you given the temperature of the gas initially? Can we assume it is an ideal gas? If it is an ideal gas, can you determine its Cv ?

Substitute nRT/V for P to put the adiabatic condition in terms of T and V.

If you express the adiabatic condition in terms of T and V, it is simply a matter of finding the ratio of final T to initial T. Since W = ΔU you just have to find the change in U.

AM

No initial temperatures.
It is an ideal gas.

I was using that p for the substitution for dw=-pdv though, so now I'm confused.
 
chris_avfc said:
No initial temperatures.
It is an ideal gas.

I was using that p for the substitution for dw=-pdv though, so now I'm confused.
If you substitute P = nRT/V in the adiabatic condition you get:

PV^\gamma = K = nRTV^{\gamma - 1}

So TV^{\gamma -1} = \text{constant}

To find the final T, use:

T_f/T_i = \left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma - 1}

so \Delta T = T_f - T_i = T_i(\left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma - 1} - 1)

Using W = ΔU = nCvΔT you can develop the expression for W. You have to know what the Cv is though. If it is a monatomic ideal gas, Cv = 3R/2

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
If you substitute P = nRT/V in the adiabatic condition you get:

PV^\gamma = K = nRTV^{\gamma - 1}

So TV^{\gamma -1} = \text{constant}

To find the final T, use:

T_f/T_i = \left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma - 1}

so \Delta T = T_f - T_i = T_i(\left(\frac{V_i}{V_f}\right)^{\gamma - 1} - 1)

Using W = ΔU = nCvΔT you can develop the expression for W. You have to know what the Cv is though. If it is a monatomic ideal gas, Cv = 3R/2

AM

Okay, I recognise the TV equation, just never though to combine the other two constants with the one.
The heat capacity equation is also in my notes, so I get all of that.

I end up with:

3/2 RT [2^(gamma-1)- 1]

Where the T is the initial temperature.
Obviously R is a constant that the value is known of.
You aren't given any value for T or gamma, so I am struggling to see how to go any further?

Thank you very much by the way.
 
chris_avfc said:
I end up with:

3/2 RT [2^(gamma-1)- 1]

Where the T is the initial temperature.
Obviously R is a constant that the value is known of.
You aren't given any value for T or gamma, so I am struggling to see how to go any further?
You can't. The work needed to compress a mole of gas to half its volume depends on the initial temperature. The hotter it is, the more work that is required.

PS Does the question refer to the ideal gas as monatomic? Your use of 3R/2 for Cv is for monatomic gases. This would mean that \gamma = 5/3

AM
 
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Andrew Mason said:
You can't. The work needed to compress a mole of gas to half its volume depends on the initial temperature. The hotter it is, the more work that is required.

PS Does the question refer to the ideal gas as monatomic? Your use of 3R/2 for Cv is for monatomic gases. This would mean that \gamma = 5/3

AM



Yeah a couple of hours after I replied, I was looking over my notes and I saw that value for \gamma, substituted it in and it worked out great.

Thanks for all the help mate, it has been really useful.
 

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