Lagrangian Definition and 1000 Threads

  1. A

    Extracting a Feynman diagram from a lagrangian?

    Hi everyone, sorry if this is not the right place to post that question but I'm new to this forum, i'll delete if necessary. I am currently trying to learn QFT from Matthew Schwartz's "Quantum field theory and the standard model", quite clear during the first chapters, but i have been...
  2. Andre' Quanta

    Lagrangian for Perfect Fluid Euler Equation

    Does exist a Lagrangian for the Euler equation describing perfect fluid? If so, what is the expression?
  3. Justice Hunter

    What is the Lagrangian and how is it used in physics?

    So i actually have many words that i know of, and are familiar with such as : The Hamiltonian Operator The Hermitian Operator The Lagrangian Eigen Values/States However, i am struggling with how these things work, and when to apply them, and what they actually mean. Many of the physics...
  4. V

    Lagrangian of two body problem with spin

    I know how to solve "typical" Kepler problem but I'm interested in a global view to "binary" systems. For example Earth - Moon. If I set lagrangian of system as ##L=\frac{1}{2}(m_1\dot{r}_1^2 + m_2\dot{r}_2^2)-V(|r_2-r_1|)## there isn't included a spin. My questions are: 1) If it is solved as...
  5. Daley192303

    Lagrangian of 3 masses connected by springs, non-parallel.

    Writing the Lagrangian for 3 masses and 2 springs in a line is easy. KE=1/2(m*v^2) L=KE(m1)+k/2(l1-(x2-x1))^2+KE(m2)+k2/2[L2-(x3-x2)]^2+KE(m3) However, I wish to model non-linear linkages of the above 3 masses and 2 springs. Suppose that the second spring (m2-m3) is angle θ away from the...
  6. F

    What is interaction Lagrangian of matter and graviton fields

    What is the interaction Lagrangian of matter and graviton fields?So(on the answer)we can say about the nonrenormalization.Why is the divergence of two gravitons diagram able to be the limit of the coincidence of the verties.So we can say about the nonrenormalization.
  7. E

    Lagrangian of a Photon: Understanding the Fundamental Particle in Light

    I can't find this in any textbook, so I must not understand something about it. What is the Lagrangian of a photon? Would it be just h*nu?
  8. N

    How to compute the vertices from interaction lagrangian?

    Hello all, If I am having the the effective lagrangian which is actually free + interaction lagrangian (obtained from the minimal substitution for pseudoscalar and vector mesons). then how to compute the vertices of the interaction ? I have taken into consideration of all symmetry breaking...
  9. Strangelet

    Problem with Maxwell Lagrangian Density

    Homework Statement I have to expand the following term: $$\dfrac{1}{4} F_{\mu\nu}F^{\mu\nu} = \dfrac{1}{4} \left(\partial_{\mu}A_{\nu} - \partial_{\nu}A_{\mu}\right) \left(\partial^{\mu}A^{\nu} - \partial^{\nu}A^{\mu}\right)$$ to get in the end this form...
  10. avito009

    Lagrangian and Hamiltonian. What are these in layman terms?

    All I know is that Lagrangian is kinetic energy- potential energy and Hamiltonian is kinetic energy + Potential energy. Why do we calculate the lagrangian or hamiltonian?
  11. T

    Does a Magnetic Field Emerge from a Moving Charge with Constant Angular Speed?

    If I write the lagrangian for a moving charge with constant angular speed, would a magnetic field be emergent? I would do the math myself, but I'm nowhere near pen and paper.
  12. L

    For the Lagrangian of fermion masses, how do I understand?

    Hello, everyone. I have a one question which is related to the fermion masses. If you see my latex mathematics, you can know what I want to say. Here, L means SU(2) left-handed lepton doublets and R means SU(2) right-handed lepton singlets. So I am too much confusing to understand this...
  13. Topolfractal

    What is the quantized form of the strings lagrangian?

    What is the quantized form of the strings lagrangian?
  14. A

    Discover the Lagrangian for 2D Vortices | Essential Homework Equations

    Homework Statement Hello, Do you know how to find Lagrangian for 2D Vortices? Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution
  15. B

    Lagrangian without K.E and any anthromorophic answer

    (Yes, I have searched the other posts and each one comes up deficient for what I want.) Why must the Lagrangian be extremized? And why it is of the form L = T – V? BUT I HAVE CAVEATS! Please do it from first principles WITHOUT an understanding of F=ma. (And, yes, I understand the calculus...
  16. M

    How does one derive the Lagrangian densities used in QFT?

    I've been working through a qft book by Sadovskii (while I wait for my Peskin book to come in) and I've used some later chapters of Griffith's Into to Elementary Particles as an introduction to some qft. My issue with both of these is that, where in classical mechanics we have the Lagrangian...
  17. J

    Differentiating Lagrangian in Tensor Notation

    Homework Statement Hi all, I'm trying to learn how to manipulate tensors and in particular to differentiate expressions. I was looking at a Lagrangian density and trying to apply the Euler-Lagrange equations to it. Homework Equations Lagrangian density: \mathcal{L} = -\frac{1}{2}...
  18. E

    Finding the Lagrangian for an elastic collision

    Homework Statement a. Suppose two particles with mass $m$ and coordinates $x_1$, $x_2$ collides elastically, find the lagrangian and prove that the linear momentum is preserved. b. Find new coordiantes (and lagrangian) s.t. the linear momentum is conjugate to the cyclical coordinate. Homework...
  19. S

    Lagrangian of Standard Model Deduction

    Does anyone know where can I find the deduction of all terms of the updated SM lagrangian? Although I have already looked at some lagrangians and theories like local gauge invariance, Yang-Mills theory, feynman rules, spontaneous symmetry-breaking and others, I wanted to see the deduction and...
  20. B

    Find G_{\mu\nu} from Supergravity Lagrangian: Chapter 4, Section 4.3.2

    I am reading the book Supergravity. In chapter 4, section 4.3.2 - Duality for gauge fields and complex scalar: The simplest case of electromagnetic duality in an interacting field theeory occurs with one abelian gauge field ##A_{\mu}(x)## and a complex scalar field ##Z(x)##. The...
  21. MTd2

    New first order Lagrangian for General Relativity

    http://arxiv.org/abs/1503.08640 New first order Lagrangian for General Relativity Yannick Herfray, Kirill Krasnov (Submitted on 30 Mar 2015) We describe a new BF-type first-order in derivatives Lagrangian for General Relativity. The Lagrangian depends on a connection field as well as a...
  22. R

    Lagrangian: Bead on a rotating hoop with mass

    Homework Statement 'Consider the system consisting of a bead of mass m sliding on a smooth circular wire hoop of mass 2m and radius R in a vertical plane, and the vertical plane containing the hoop is free to rotate about the vertical axis. Determine all relative equilibria of the bead.'...
  23. Breo

    A question about a computation in a paper of Effective Lagrangian

    I was hitting against a wall for the last hours. I am not able to obtain the 1/2 terms in the eq. 5 of this paper and left all in terms of only ##N_i## and ##\overline{N_i}##,neither. Anyone could give me a tip? http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-ph/0210271v2.pdf Thank you in advance.
  24. C

    Constructing lagrangian and phase portrait

    Homework Statement A non–uniform disk of mass M and radius R rolls without slipping along a horizontal plane in a straight line as shown in the attachment. The centre of gravity G is displaced a distance a from the centre of the disk. Let θ be the angle between the downward vertical and the...
  25. DOTDO

    Legendre Transformation of Lagrangian density ?

    Hi I began to study the basics of QED. Now I am studying Lagrangian and Hamiltonian densities of Dirac Equation. I'll call them L density and H density for convenience :)Anyway, the derivation of the H density from L density using Legendre transformation confuses me :( I thought because...
  26. A

    Conservation of Momentum and Lagrangian

    In Leonard Susskind's the theoretical minimum, he says, "For any system of particles, if the Lagrangian is invariant under simultaneous translation of the positions of all particles, then momentum is conserved". For a system of two particles moving under a potential which is a function of the...
  27. D

    Lagrangian moving blocks problem

    Homework Statement 1. Two identical blocks A and B with mass m are joined together by a taut string B of length `. Block A moves on a frictionless horizontal table and block B hangs from the string which passes through a small hole in the table as shown in the figure. (a) Using polar...
  28. T

    How Are Hamiltonian and Lagrangian Related in Quantum Mechanics?

    "The hamiltonian runs over the time axis while the lagrangian runs over the trajectory of the moving particle, the t'-axis." What does the above statement means? Isnt hamiltonian just an operator that corresponds to total energy of a system? How is hamiltonian related to lagrangian intuitively...
  29. T

    Question about Lagrangian Mechanics.

    This is not a homework equation at all, however I have devised my own example problem in order to convey my misunderstanding. (My question is at the end of the problem) Question that I had come up with: A particle's motion is described in the x direction by the equation x = x(t). The particle's...
  30. A

    Why Does the Lagrangian Depend on Time and Position?

    Hi, I have a very basic question about the Lagrangian that I can't seem to understand: why is it dependent on both the position function and the time derivative? I know that it is the difference between the kinetic and potential energy, but why? Is there a derivation of this, is it a definition...
  31. Coffee_

    Lagrangian invariance, short question

    Consider a Lagrangian: ##L(x,x',t)## Define now: ##L'(x,x',t) = L + x ## We have seen that Lagrangians can differ up to a total time derivative of some function ##F(x,t)## in such cases and give the same equation. When checking explicitly these two give different equations. Why would it be...
  32. Z

    From Effective Lagrangian to Feynman Rule

    In this process: N*→N+photon If we want to calculate the amplitude with the following interaction Lagrangian: (http://arxiv.org/abs/nucl-th/0205052) If we use functional method,the field operator is not polynomial,how to use "center formula"to bring functional derivative in? Or we must...
  33. gulfcoastfella

    Using undetermined multipliers in Lagrangian Mechanics

    An example problem in Chapter 7 of "Classical Dynamics of Particles and Systems" by Marion, Thornton uses Lagrangian equations with undetermined multipliers to solve for the motion of a disc rolling down an incline. The resulting Lagrangian equations are: Mg sin α - M d2y/dt2 + λ = 0...
  34. teroenza

    Four Tensor Derivatives -- EM Field Lagrangian Density

    Homework Statement Given the Lagrangian density \Lambda = -\frac{1}{c}j^lA_l - \frac{1}{16 \pi} F^{lm}F_{lm} and the Euler-Lagrange equation for it \frac{\partial }{\partial x^k}\left ( \frac{\partial \Lambda}{\partial A_{i,k}} \right )- \frac{\partial \Lambda}{\partial A_{i}} =0...
  35. K

    What Are the Cartesian Coordinates of a Rotating Pendulum?

    Homework Statement [/B] Find the Cartesian coordinates (x, y, z) of a fixed reference frame expressed in terms of the coordinates (x', y' , z) of a rotating frame, which rotates with the horizontal rod HR. Choose the x' -axis to point along the horizontal rod in the direction OA. Use this to...
  36. R

    Derivatives of the Lagrangian in curved space

    Follow along at http://star-www.st-and.ac.uk/~hz4/gr/GRlec4+5+6.pdf and go to PDF page 9 or page 44 of the "slides." I'm trying to see how to go from the first to the third line. If we write the free particle Lagrangian and use q^i-dot and q^j-dot as the velocities and metric g_ij, how is it we...
  37. P

    Lagrangian of a 2 mass rotating rod

    Homework Statement A long light inflexible rod is free to rotate in a vertical plane about a fixed point O. A particle of mass m is fixed to the rod at a point P a distance ℓ from O. A second particle of mass m is free to move along the rod, and is attracted to the point O by an elastic force...
  38. Coffee_

    Generating function and Lagrangian invariance

    To make my explanation easier open the ''Generating function approach'' section on this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_transformation The function ##\frac{dG}{dt}## represents the function that always can be added to the Lagrangian without changing the mechanical...
  39. Jimster41

    Is the concept of entropy addressed in the Lagrangian formalism?

    just working my way through Susskind's "Theoretical Minimum". At the Langrangian formalism I'm in novel territory so this may be a dumb question. Kind of multiple choice or fill in a real answer. Why is there no term for the Entropy of a system in the Lagrangian? Is it because time is an...
  40. P

    Degrees of Freedom for a Lagrangian System

    Homework Statement A long light inflexible rod is free to rotate in a vertical plane about a fixed point O. A particle of mass m is fixed to the rod at a point P a distance l from O. A second particle of mass m is free to move along the rod, and is attracted to the point O by an elastic force...
  41. R

    What Are the Equilibrium Points of a Pendulum System with an Elastic Force?

    Homework Statement A long light inflexible rod is free to rotate in a vertical plane about a fixed point O. A particle of mass m is fixed to the rod at a point P a distance ℓ from O. A second particle of mass m is free to move along the rod, and is attracted to the point O by an elastic force...
  42. resurgance2001

    Derivation of standard model lagrangian

    What's the simplest, most direct way to derive the lagrangian of the SM? I saw earlier today: L[S M] = L[Dirac] + L[mass] + L[Gauge] + L[Gauge/psi] That seems like a good starting point. I like it because it says the SM Lagrangian is simply the sum of four lagrangians. The next step...
  43. T

    Lagrangian for released double pendulum

    I just recently worked through the lagrangian method for describing the motion of a double pendulum. What I want to do now is describe the motion of a double pendulum that has been instantaneously released from the origin and allowed to fly through the air (with the 2 pendulums still connected...
  44. Ahmad Kishki

    Classical Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics

    Recommend an easy going introduction to lagrangian and hamiltonian mechanics (for self study)
  45. lalo_u

    Gauge invariance of electroweak Lagrangian

    I was trying to prove all those little things you spend long as the local invariance in the free Lagrangian of electroweak interaction. Taking into account the appropriate SU(2) transformations (without covariant derivatives), came to the following expression \mathcal{L}_{\text{ferm.}} =...
  46. C

    Lagrangian function for beetle on paper

    Homework Statement [/B] A circle of radius ##a##, with diameter ##AB##, is drawn on a sheet of paper which lies on a smooth horizontal table. The paper is pivoted with a pin at ##A## and has moment of inertia ##4ma^2## about a vertical axis through ##A##. An insect of mass ##m## walks around...
  47. D

    How to understand potential energy in Lagrangian

    Hi guys, So I'm trying to understand why the potential energy of a Lagrangian is the way it is. The system I'm considering is a closed necklace of N beads, each of mass m. Each bead interacts only with its nearest neighbour. First let me make some comments: 1) Each bead is labeled with a...
  48. D

    Why does field Lagrangian depend on four-derivative?

    Hi guys, so this is a pretty generic question. Starting off with the classical Lagrangian in a case where there is no interaction or explicit time dependence, the functional form is L=L(x,\dot{x})=L(x,\partial_{t}x). Now when we look at the Lagrangian density in field theory, the functional...
  49. C

    Understanding the set up of a lagrangian problem

    Homework Statement A rod of length ##L## and mass ##M## is constrained to move in a vertical plane. The upper end of the rod slides freely along a horizontal wire. Let ##x## be the distance of the upper end of the rod from a fixed point, and let ##\theta## be the angle between the rod and the...
  50. ChrisVer

    Why are particles in low representations in the Standard Model?

    I was wondering. What's the reason for putting objects in low representations in the SM and not higher ones? So, why fermions in a doublet of SU(2) and not a multiplet? In analogy in SU(5) we put the particles in the 5-plet...
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