Lagrangian Definition and 1000 Threads
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I Understanding the Coordinates in the Lagrangian for a Pendulum
So I've been studying classical mechanics and have come across a small doubt with the solution provided to the problem in question from Landau's book. My question is: why are the coordinates for the particle given as they are in the solution? I imagine it has something to do with the harmonic... -
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I Morse Theory & Lagrangian Mechanics: Is There a Connection?
I read somewhere that Morse originally applied his theory to the calculus of variations. I'm wondering, is this application useful in physics and mechanics, like maybe it sheds light on lagrangian mechanics? Does anyone know?- dx
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- Connection Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics Theory
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Lagrangian Problem (Find Relation between Amplitude and Momentum)
The given lagrangian doesn't seem to correspond to any of the basic systems (like simple/ coupled harmonic oscillators, etc). So I calculated the momentum ##p## which is the partial derivative of ##L## with respect to generalized velocity ##\dot{q}##. Doing so I obtain $$p =...- Wannabe Physicist
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- Amplitude Lagrangian Lagrangian dynamics Lagrangian mechanics Momentum Relation
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Spacetime translations and general Lagrangian density for Field Theory
In Sydney Coleman Lectures on Quantum field Theory (p48), he finds : $$D\mathcal{L} = e^{\mu} \partial _{\mu} \mathcal{L}$$ My calulation, with ##\phi## my field and the variation of the field under space time tranlation ##D\phi = e^{\mu} \frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x^{\mu}}## ...- Paulpaulpa
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- Density Field Field theory General Lagrangian Lagrangian density Spacetime Theory Variational method
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I Laws of Motion for New Lagrangian: Partial Differential Equations
$$\partial^\beta F_{\beta\alpha} +\partial^\beta A_\mu A^\mu \delta^\alpha_\sigma \delta^\rho_\beta+\mu^2 A_\alpha = 2A_\mu (\partial_\rho A^\rho) +\frac {4\pi}{c}J_\alpha$$- Maniac_XOX
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- Lagrangian Laws Laws of motion Motion
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I Solving Proca Lagrangian w/ Extra Operator: Find Laws of Motion
The euler lagrange equation I am using is: $$\frac {\partial^\beta \partial L}{\partial(\partial^\beta A^\alpha) }= \frac {\partial L} {\partial A^\alpha}$$ Now the proca lagrangian i am using is $$L= -\frac {1}{16\pi} F_{\alpha\beta} F^{\alpha\beta} + \frac {\mu^2} {8\pi} A_\alpha A^\alpha -...- Maniac_XOX
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- Lagrangian Laws Laws of motion Motion Operator Proca
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Symmetries in Lagrangian Mechanics
In Classical Mechanics by Kibble and Berkshire, in chapter 12.4 which focuses on symmetries and conservation laws (starting on page 291 here), the authors introduce the concept of a generator function G, where the transformation generated by G is given by (equation 12.29 on page 292 in the text)... -
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Lagrangian mechanics - rotating rod
Hello, It might sound silly, but when I try to calculate the kinetic energy of a rotating rod to form the Langrangian (and in general), why it has both translational and rotational kinetic energy? Is it because when I consider the moment of Inertia about the centre I need to include the... -
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I General relativity - covariant superconductivity, Meissner effect
I am doing a project where the final scope is to find an extra operator to include in the proca lagrangian. When finding the new version of this lagrangian i'll be able to use the Euler-Lagrange equation to find the laws of motion for a photon accounting for that particular extra operator. I...- Maniac_XOX
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- Covariant General General relativity Lagrangian Meissner effect Physics Relativity Superconductivity Undergrad
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I Time-Dependent Lagrangian Leads to Time Dilation?
This is just something unexpected that I noticed recently, and I hadn't heard anyone mention it before. The relativistic Lagrangian for a particle moving under a scalar potential ##\Phi## is this: ##L = \frac{1}{2} m g_{\mu \nu} \dfrac{dx^\mu}{d\tau} \dfrac{dx^\nu}{d\tau} - \Phi## This leads...- stevendaryl
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- Dilation Lagrangian Time Time dilation
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Computing the spectrum of a Lagrangian in field theory
I have the following lagrangian density: $$L = \bar{\psi}i \gamma^\mu \partial_\mu \psi - g\bar{\psi}(\sigma + i\gamma^5\pi)\psi + \frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \sigma)^2+ \frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \pi)^2 -V(\sigma^2 + \pi^2)$$ where $\pi$ and $\sigma$ are scalar fields. I have show that this...- snypehype46
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- Computing Field Field theory Lagrangian Spectrum Theory
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Lagrangian of system of bodies in PN approximation [Landau Textbook]
Hey guy, I'm having problems to understand the final part of this section. The book says we have the lagrangian from one particle (106.16), then we have some explanation and then the total lagrangian is given(106.17). For me is everything fine until the 106.16, then i couldn't get what is going...- GrimGuy
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- Approximation bodies Lagrangian System Textbook
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Optimization with Lagrangian Multipliers
Problem: Solution: My question: My reasoning was that if x is max at the point then the gradient vector of g at the point has only x component; that is ##g_y=0,\, g_z=0##. This way I got: $$\begin{cases} 4y^3+x+z=0\\ \\ 4z^3+x+y=0\\ \\ \underbrace{x^4+y^4+z^4+xy+yz+zx=6}_\text{constraint...- Leo Liu
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- Lagrangian Optimization
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Sign of potential term in Lagrangian mechanics
I have heard many times that it does not matter where you put the zero to calculate the potential energy and then ##L=T-V##. But mostly what we are doing is taking potential energy negative like in an atom for electron or a mass in gravitational field and then effectively adding it to kinetic...- Admiralibr123
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- Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics Potential Sign Term
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Energy-momentum tensor for a relativistic system of particles
I think it is quite simple as an exercise, following the two relevant equations, but at the beginning I find myself stuck in going to identify the lagrangian for a relativistic system of non-interacting particles. For a free relativistic particle I know that lagrangian is...- Frostman
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- Energy-momentum Energy-momentum tensor Free particle Lagrangian Particles Relativistic System System of particles Tensor
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Lagrangian of a mass bewteen two springs with a pendulum hanging down
What I first did was setting the reference system on the left corner. Then, I said that the position of the mass ##m_2## is ##x_2##. I also supposed that the pendulum makes an angle ##\theta## with respect to the vertical axis ##y##. So the generalized coordinates of the system would be ##x_2##...- Davidllerenav
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- Lagrangian Mass Pendulum Springs
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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A Lagrangian for straight line in XY-plane (dependent on time)
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- Lagrangian Line Straight line Time Xy-plane
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Particle constrained on a curve
I tried 1. using the Lagrangian method: From ##y=-kx^2## I got ##\dot y = -2kx \dot x## and ##\ddot y = -2k \dot x^2 - 2 kx \dot x##. (Can I use ##\dot y = g## here due to gravity?) This gives for kinetic energy: $$T = \frac{1}{2} mv^2 = \frac{1}{2} m (\dot x^2 + \dot y^2) = \frac{1}{2} m (\dot...- randy
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- Classical mechanics Constrained motion Curve Lagrangian Particle
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- Forum: Introductory Physics Homework Help
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Variation principle -- looking for resources to read and understand
Summary:: Can anyone introduce an informative resource with solved examples for learning variation principle? For example I cannot do the variation for the electromagnetic lagrangian when ##A_\mu J^\mu## added to the free lagrangian and also some other terms which are possible: $$ L =...- Pouramat
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- Electromagetism Lagrangian Principle Resources Variation Variation method
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The definition of generalised momentum
Why, in lagrangian mechanics, do we calculate: ##\frac{d}{dt}\frac{\partial T}{\partial \dot{q}}## to get the (generalised) momentum change in time instead of ##\frac{d T}{dq}##? (T - kinetic energy; q - generalised coordinate; p - generalised momentum; for simplicity I assumed that no external... -
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Lagrangian for the electromagnetic field coupled to a scalar field
It is the first time that I am faced with a complex field, I would not want to be wrong about how to solve this type of problem. Usually to solve the equations of motion I apply the Euler Lagrange equations. $$\partial_\mu\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi/_\mu}-\frac{\partial L}{\partial \phi}=0$$...- Frostman
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- Coupled Electromagnetic Electromagnetic field Eom Euler lagrange equation Field Lagragian Lagrangian Noether's theorem Scalar Scalar field
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A Parametric Lagrangian is a Homogeneous Form in Parametric Velocities?
In the book "The Variational Principles of Mechanics" by Cornelius Lanczos, the following statement is made about a lagrangian ##L_1## where time is given as an dependent parameter, and a new parameter ##\tau## is introduced as the independent variable, see (610.3) and (610.4) pg. 186,187 Dover...- Wizard
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- Form Homogeneous Lagrangian Parametric
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I What is the Role of Matter in General Relativity's Lagrangian?
I was going over the Einstein-Hilbert action derivation of the Einstein field equations and came across a term that does not seem to be explicitly defined. That term is the Langragian for the matter fields. What exactly is matter in General relativity in the context of the Lagrangian? Here is...- dsaun777
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- General General relativity Lagrangian Matter Relativity
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Question about Lagrangian density
this figure form ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_mass_(spring%E2%80%93mass_system) ) massive spring ; m K.E. of total spring equal to ## K.E. = \frac{1}{2} \sum dm_i v_i^2 = \frac{1}{2} \sum \rho dy (Vy/L)^2## V is the speed at the end of the spring and V are same speed of mass M...- Another
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- Density Lagrangian Lagrangian density
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I What is the Lagrangian with constraint forces?
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- Constraint Constraint forces Forces Lagrangian
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A How Do Free and Interaction Terms in Quantum Field Theory Affect Particle Mass?
With free part L=-½(∂Φ)^2 -½m^2 Φ^2 and interaction term L=½gΦ^2Any help would be appreciated, thank you.- steve1763
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- Feynman diagram Field Field theory Interaction Lagrangian Quantum Quantum field theory Terms Theory
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Lagrangian function of a double undamped pendulum
I must find the Lagrangian for an undamped pendulum using the diagram showed below, I've no idea what to do with the second angle φ2 because is measured from the line that joins the two pivot points. The ecuations I must obtain are as follows I get so many different things but I can't reach...- PaBlo14101066
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- Double pendulum Function Lagragian Lagrangian Pendulum
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Plane pendulum: Lagrangian, Hamiltonian and energy conservation
Hello! I need some help with this problem. I've solved most of it, but I need some help with the Hamiltonian. I will run through the problem as I've solved it, but it's the Hamiltonian at the end that gives me trouble. To find the Lagrangian, start by finding the x- and y-positions of the...- hicetnunc
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- Conservation Energy Energy conservation Hamiltonian Lagrangian Pendulum Plane
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B Lagrangian Point in General Relativity
Is there a relationship between the Lagrangian ‘hill diagram’ and the spacetime curvature embedment graphs? The Lagrangian map shows effective potential, which deals with centrifugal force. As centrifugal force is a fictitious force (and gravity is as well), I would assume the underlying...- D.S.Beyer
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- General General relativity Lagrangian Point Relativity
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I Gauge theory symmetry breaking in L&B
I’m reading Lancaster & Blundell, Quantum field theory for the gifted amateur (even tho I”m only an amateur...) and have a problem with their explanation of symmetry breaking from page 242. They start with this Lagrangian: ## \mathcal{L} = (\partial_{\mu} \psi^{\dagger} - iq...- joneall
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- Gauge Gauge theory Lagrangian Symmetry Symmetry breaking Theory
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- Forum: Quantum Physics
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Find the Lagrangian of a pendulum plane
Pendulum plane, which suspension executes a horizontal harmonic motion $$x = acos(\gamma t)$$ Position P, orientation x to right and y points below, phi is the pendulum's angle wrt y. $$P = (acos(\gamma t) + lsin(\phi(t)), lcos(\phi(t)) )$$ So executing all that is necessary, i found it...- LCSphysicist
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- Lagrangian Pendulum Plane
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- Forum: Introductory Physics Homework Help
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A Symmetry of QED interaction Lagrangian
I am trying to get a foothold on QFT using several books (Lancaster & Blundell, Klauber, Schwichtenberg, Jeevanjee), but sometimes have trouble seeing the forest for all the trees. My problem concerns the equation of QED in the form $$ \mathcal{L}_{Dirac+Proca+int} = \bar{\Psi} ( i \gamma_{\mu}...- joneall
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- Group theory Interaction Lagrangian Qed Qft Symmetry
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Bead on a rotating stick and the Lagrangian
A stick is pivoted at the origin and is arranged to swing around in a horizontal plane at constant angular speed ω. A bead of mass m slides frictionlessly along the stick. Let r be the radial position of the bead. Find the conserved quantity E given in Eq. (6.52). Explain why this quantity is...- LCSphysicist
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- Bead Lagrangian Rotating
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Classical Book on discrete mechanics (particularly interested in Lagrangian)
Hi.I am looking for a book to learn about discrete mechanics (i.e. working in a 3D lattice instead of ##n## generalized coordinates). I am particularly interested in how to derive the discrete E-L equations by extremizing the action. I have checked Gregory and Goldstein but they do not deal...- JD_PM
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- Book Discrete Lagrangian Mechanics
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Minimal substitution on the Lagrangian of the complex KG field
a) I think I got this one right. Please let me know otherwise We have (let's leave the ##x## dependence of the fields implicit :wink:) $$\mathscr{L} = N \Big(\partial_{\alpha} \phi \partial^{\alpha} \phi^{\dagger} - \mu^2 \phi \phi^{\dagger} \Big) = \partial_{\alpha} \phi^{\dagger}...- JD_PM
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- Complex Field Lagrangian Substitution
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Why Does the Potential Energy of the Wedge Appear in Lagrangian Mechanics?
In Solution https://www.slader.com/textbook/9780201657029-classical-mechanics-3rd-edition/67/derivations-and-exercises/20/ In the question say the wedge can move without friction on a smooth surface. Why does the potential energy of the wedge appear in Lagrangian? (You can see the Larangian...- Another
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- Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics
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I What does it mean for a Lagrangian to have "explicit" time dependence?
Suppose I had a Lagrangian $$L = q+ \dot{q}^2 + t.$$ This has explicit time dependence. Now consider another Lagrangian: $$L = q+ \dot{q}^2 .$$ Which has no explicit time dependence. But after solving for the equations of motion, I get $$\dot{q} = t/2 + C.$$ So I could now write my Lagrangian...- aliens123
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- Explicit Lagrangian Mean Time Time dependence
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Lagrangian mechanics, system of a spring and a pendulum
Hello! I have some problem getting the correct answer for (b). My FBD: For part (a) my lagrangian is $$L=T-V\iff L=\frac{1}{2}m(b\dot{\theta})^2+mg(b-b\cos\theta)-\frac{1}{2}k\boldsymbol{x}^2,\ where\ \boldsymbol{x}=\sqrt{(1.25b-b)^2+(b\sin\theta)^2}-(1.25b-0.25b)$$ Hence my equation of...- TimmyD1
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- Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics Pendulum Spring System
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I Wilson's RG trajectories, Lagrangians and many worlds?
In this article [1] we can read an explanation about Wilson's approach to renormalization I have read that Kenneth G Wilson favoured the path integral/many histories interpretation of Feynman in quantum mechanics to explain it. I was wondering if he did also consider that multiple worlds...- Suekdccia
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- Lagrangian Lagrangians Many worlds Quantum mechanics Renormalization Trajectories
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A Why do we extremize the Lagrangian in the Hamilton principle instead of energy?
I know that by extremizing lagrangian we get equations of motions. But what if we extremize the energy? I am just little bit of confused, any help is appreciated.- anbhadane
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- Energy Hamilton Lagrangian Principle
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Simplification of the Proca Lagrangian
Hello, I'm trying to figure out where the term (3) came from. This is from a textbook which doesn't explain how they do it. ∂_μ(∂L/(∂(∂_μA_ν)) = ∂L/∂A_ν (1) L = -(1/16*pi) * ( ∂^(μ)A^(ν) - ∂^(ν)A^(μ))(∂_(μ)A_(ν) - ∂_(ν)A_(μ)) + 1/(8*pi) * (mc/hbar)^2* A^ν A_ν (2) Here is Eq (1) the...- fabstr1
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- Field theory Lagrangian Proca Quantum field theory Tensor
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I Lagrangian and the Euler Lagrange equation
I am new to Lagrangian mechanics and I am unable to comprehend why the Euler Lagrange equation works, and also what really is the significance of the lagrangian.- Hamiltonian
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- Euler Euler lagrange equation Lagrange Lagrange equation Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics
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Question about using the Lagrangian for a spinning rubber band problem
Hello, I am having trouble applying Lagrangian to this problem: A uniform thin circular rubber band of mass ##M ## and spring constant k has an original radius ##R##. Now it is tossed into the air. Assume it remains circular when stabilized in air and rotates at angular speed ##\omega## about...- guv
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- Band Lagrangian Rubber Rubber band Spinning
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Euler Lagrange equation and a varying Lagrangian
Hello, I have been working on the three-dimensional topological massive gravity (I'm new to this field) and I already faced the first problem concerning the mathematics, after deriving the lagrangian from the action I had a problem in variating it Here is the Lagrangian The first variation...- Tamin Ayoub
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- Euler Euler lagrange equation General relaivity Lagrange Lagrange equation Lagrangian
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Lagrangian mechanics: central-force-like problem
I copy again the statement here: So, I think I solved parts a to c but I don't get part d. I couldn't even start it because I don't understand how to set the problem. I think it refers to some kind of motion like this one in the picture, so I'll have a maximum and a minimum r, and I can get...- LuccaP4
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- Lagrange equation Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics
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I Dirac Lagrangian and Covariant derivative
This is from Griffiths particle physics, page 360. We have the full Dirac Lagrangian: $$\mathcal L = [i\hbar c \bar \psi \gamma^{\mu} \partial_{\mu} \psi - mc^2 \bar \psi \psi] - [\frac 1 {16\pi} F^{\mu \nu}F_{\mu \nu}] - (q\bar \psi \gamma^{\mu} \psi)A_{\mu}$$ This is invariant under the joint...- PeroK
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- Covariant Covariant derivative Derivative Dirac Lagrangian
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- Forum: Quantum Physics
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How Does a Variable Mass Affect a Simple Pendulum?
Hello, I've got to rationally analice the form of the solutions for the equations of motion of a simple pendulum with a varying mass hanging from its thread of length ##l## (being this length constant). I approached this with lagrangian mechanics, asumming the positive ##y## direction is...- DannyJ108
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- Lagrangian Mass Pendulum Simple pendulum Variable Variable mass
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I Changing spherical coordinates in a Lagrangian
In order to compute de lagrangian in spherical coordinates, one usually writes the following expression for the kinetic energy: $$T = \dfrac{1}{2} m ( \dot{r}^2 + r^2 \dot{\theta}^2 + r^2 \sin^2 \theta \dot{\phi}^2 )\ ,$$ where ##\theta## is the colatitud or polar angle and ##\phi## is the...- Jaime_mc2
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- Coordinates Lagrangian Mechanics Spherical Spherical coordinates
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What is the minimum mathematic requirement for learning Lagrangian and Hamiltonian mechanics?
Homework Statement:: ... Relevant Equations:: . What is the minimum mathematic requirement to the Lagrangian and hamiltonian mechanics? Maybe calc 3 and linear algebra?- LCSphysicist
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- Hamiltonian Hamiltonian mechanics Lagrangian Mathematic Mechanics Minimum
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Converting a Lagrangian to a Hamiltonian
Given the following $$L(\theta,\dot{\theta},\phi,\dot{\phi}) = \frac12ml^2((\dot{\theta})^2 + (sin(\theta)^2)\dot{\phi}^2) + k\theta^4$$ This is my attempt: I am not understanding if the conserved quantities (like angular momentum about the z-axis) impacts my formulation of the Hamiltonian or...- MyoPhilosopher
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- Hamiltonian Lagrangian
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