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Adding a variable to a Lagrangian
Would the following: $$ L = m(\vec{\dot r + \vec v})$$ (constant velocity added to above eq.) lead to equivalent euler-lagrange equations due to the fact that the ratio of T and V is unaffected by an increase in constant velocity? And would this be an example of energy conservation?- MyoPhilosopher
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- Lagrangian Variable
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- Forum: Introductory Physics Homework Help
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Lagrangian of a spring mass system
I know that from the given problem, I need to find the expression for Kinetic energy, KE = 1/2 m [r(dot)]^2 and Potential energy, PE = 1/2 k r^2 So L = 1/2 m [r(dot)]^2 - 1/2 k r^2 Hence H = 1/2 m [r(dot)]^2 + 1/2 k r^2 I assume that the fixed length r0 is provided to find the value of end...- tanaygupta2000
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- Lagrangian Mass Spring Spring mass system System
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Checking Parity Invariance of the QED Lagrangian
Hi, I'm trying to check that the QED Lagrangian $$\mathscr{L}=\bar{\psi}\left(i\!\!\not{\!\partial}-m\right)\psi - \frac{1}{4}F^{\mu\nu}F_{\mu\nu} - J^\mu A_\mu$$ is parity invariant, I'm using the general transformations under parity given by $$\psi(x) \rightarrow...- Gaussian97
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- Invariance Lagrangian Parity Qed
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A Validity of Scalar Field Lagrangian with Linear and Quadratic Terms
Hi, if I want to construct the most general Lagrangian of a single scalar field up to two fields and two derivatives, I usually see that is $$\mathscr{L} = \phi \square \phi + c_2 \phi^2$$ i.e. the Klein-Gordon Lagrangian. My question is, would be valid the Lagrangian $$\mathscr{L} = \phi...- Gaussian97
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- General Lagrangian Scalar
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- Forum: Quantum Physics
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Show the invariance of the complex-scalar-field Lagrangian
a) Alright, I think that the trick here is to consider ##\phi^{\dagger}## and ##\phi## as independent scalar fields. I've read that the unitary matrices read as follows $$U = e^{i \epsilon}$$ Thus here we have to consider two separate transformations $$\phi \rightarrow \phi' = e^{i...- JD_PM
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- Invariance Lagrangian
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Lagrangian with angular velocity not constant
Summary:: not constant spin How could I calculate the system lagrangian in function of the generalised coordinates and the conserved quantities associated to the system symmetries? I've been struggling for the case with not constant angular velocity, but I don't realize what I have to do...- pepediaz
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- Angular Angular velocity Constant Lagrangian Velocity
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Get the equation of motion given a Lagrangian density
a) Alright here we have to use Euler-Lagrange equation $$\partial_{\alpha} \Big( \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu})} \Big) - \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial A_{\nu}} = 0$$ Let's focus on the term ##\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial (\partial_{\alpha}...- JD_PM
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- Density Equation of motion Lagrangian Lagrangian density Motion
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Computing an Energy-Momentum tensor given a Lagrangian
REMARK: First of all I have to say that this Lagrangian reminds me of the Lagrangian from which we can derive Maxwell's equations, which is (reference: Tong QFT lecture notes, equation 1.18; I have attached the PDF). $$\mathcal{L} = -\frac 1 2 (\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu} )(\partial^{\mu} A^{\nu}) +...- JD_PM
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- Computing Energy-momentum Energy-momentum tensor Lagrangian Tensor
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Find the Lagrangian of this single mass system
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- Lagrangian Mass System
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Find a transformation that leaves the given Lagrangian invariant
The given Lagrangian is: ##L = \frac 1 2 m_1 ( \dot x_1^2 + \dot y_1^2 + \dot z_1^2) + \frac 1 2 m_2 ( \dot x_2^2 + \dot y_2^2 + \dot z_2^2) + G \frac{m_1 m_2}{\sqrt{(x_1-x_2)^2 + (y_1-y_2)^2 + (z_1-z_2)^2}}##Please note: I have been inspired by the post...- JD_PM
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- Invariant Lagrangian Transformation
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A Lorentz Invariance of Lagrangian: Proof & Explanation
Last day in class, a professor told us that, for a Lagrangian to be Lorentz Invariant, the Lagrangian density cannot have second or higher derivatives. Is this true? Because one can write the KG lagrangian as $$\mathscr{L}=\phi(\square + m^2)\phi,$$ which have second derivatives. And, where...- Gaussian97
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- Invariance Lagrangian
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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Book with a good Introduction to Lagrangian Mechanics?
Hi, I am an undergraduate student in the 3rd sem, we have Lagrangian Mechanics in our course but I am unable to follow it properly. Can you please suggest me a book that will introduce me to Lagrangian and Hamiltonian Mechanics and slowly teach me how to do problems. I am beginner, so please...- isher_mondal
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- Book Introduction Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics Physics
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- Forum: Science and Math Textbooks
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Lagrangian equations with other kinds of constraints
When a constraint is expressed as F(x)=0, I am quite comfortable in putting such constraints into the Lagrangian. Just add the function with an undetermined multiplier, then treat the multiplier as an additional coordinate, and proceed as before. ##L = T - V + \lambda F ## For example, you...- DEvens
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- Constraints Lagrangian
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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What is the derivative of velocity with respect to position?
I'm reading a book on Classical Mechanics (No Nonsense Classical Mechanics) and one particular section has me a bit puzzled. The author is using the Euler-Lagrange equation to calculate the equation of motion for a system which has the Lagrangian shown in figure 1. The process can be seen in...- polytheneman
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- Calculus Classical mechanics Derivative Euler-lagrange Lagrangian Position Velocity
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Solving the Constrained Lagrangian Dynamics equation for a simple pendulum
The equations is of the form of Differential algebraic Equation, of index 3.- Azeemsha
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- Dynamics Lagrangian Lagrangian dynamics Pendulum Simple pendulum
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A Derivatives of Lagrangian Terms: Why We Lower?
In Lagrangians we often take derivatives (##\frac{\partial}{\partial (\partial_{\mu}\phi)}##) of terms like ##(\partial_{\nu}\phi \partial^{\nu}\phi)##. We lower the ##\partial^{\nu}## term with the metric and do the usual product rule. My question is why do we do this? Isn't...- TroyElliott
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- Derivatives Lagrangian Terms
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Finding the equation of motion for Born-Infeld lagrangian
Homework Statement: finding equation of motion for Born-Infeld lagrangian Homework Equations: born-infelf lagrangian i do not know where I'm going wrong. i'll be really grateful for any advice.- vahdaneh
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- Equation of motion Lagrangian Motion
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Show that the given Green Function is the propagator of a certain Lagrangian
My fundamental issue with this exercise is that I don't really know what it means to "show that X is a propagator".. Up until know I encountered only propagators of the from ##\langle 0\vert [\phi(x),\phi(y)] \vert 0\rangle##, which in the end is a transition amplitude and can be interpreted as...- Markus Kahn
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- Electromagnetism Function Green Green function Lagrangian Propagator Quantum field theory
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A Lagrangian to the Euler-Lagrange equation
Hello all, I understand the formation of the Lagrangian is: Kinetic Energy minus the potential energy. (I realize one cannot prove this: it is a "principle" and it provides a verifiable equation of motion. Moving on... One inserts the Lagrangian into the form of the "Action" and minimizes it...- Trying2Learn
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- Dynamics Euler-lagrange Lagrangian Variational method
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- Forum: Classical Physics
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I Can Lagrangian mechanics be applied to motion in an expanding universe
Summary: Since L = T - V, and T equals the kinetic energy (KE) of a particle whose trajectory is to be calculated, how is KE defined since some of its motion will be due to the expanding universe? My understanding may well be wrong, but it is the following. if a particle is stationary at...- Buzz Bloom
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- Applied Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Mechanics Motion Universe
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- Forum: Special and General Relativity
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I Geodesics subject to a restriction
Hi, I'm trying to solve a differential geometry problem, and maybe someone can give me a hand, at least with the set up of it. There is a particle in a 3-dimensional manifold, and the problem is to find the trajectory with the smallest distance for a time interval ##\Delta t=t_{1}-t_{0}##...- MrTictac
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- Differential geometry Geodesic Geodesics Lagrangian
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- Forum: Differential Geometry
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Noether's theorem with non-finite transformations
Hi! I am given the lagrangian: ## L = \dot q_1 \dot q_2 - \omega q_1 q_2 ## (Which corresponds to a 2D harmonic oscillator) And I am given two transformations and I am asked to say if there is a constant of motion associated to each transformation and to find it (if that's the case). I am...- peguerosdc
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- Lagrangian Noether Noether's theorem Theorem Transformations
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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A Towards formulating an invariant Lagrangian
Assuming a Lagrangian proportional to the following terms: ##L \sim ( \partial_\mu \sigma) (\partial^\mu \sigma) - g^{m\bar{n}} g^{r\bar{p}} (\partial_\mu g_{mr} ) ( \partial^\mu g_{\bar{n}\bar{p}} ) ~~~~~ \to (1) ## Where ##\mu =0,1,2,3,4## and m, n,r, p and ##\bar{n}, \bar{p}, \bar{m}## and...- Safinaz
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- Invariant Lagragian Lagrangian
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- Forum: Beyond the Standard Models
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B How a Lagrangian can represent a theory?
Hello everyone ! I recently read an article about Standard Model's Lagrangian. And it made me remember another article (that I read a long time ago) which said that a theory's Lagrangian "represent" the theory. But How ? Maybe I didn't get the sense of "represent". Also I know that there is...- hugo_faurand
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- Lagrangian Theory
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Derivation of Lagrangian in the calculus of variations
Hello. In a chapter of a book I just read it is given that ##\frac {d} {d\epsilon}\left. L(q+\epsilon \psi) \right|_{\epsilon = 0} = \frac {\partial L} {\partial q} \psi ## While trying to get to this conclusion myself I've stumbled over some problem. First I apply the chain rule...- Joggl
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- Calculus Calculus of variations Derivation Lagrangian
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I Why does a Lagrangian matter for the standard model?
Hi, I don't know much about the standard model but I'm asking out of interest. Why do we actually need a Lagrangian for the standard model? Surely when you apply the relevant Euler-Lagrange equations, you end up with a variety of equations like the Maxwell equations or Dirac equations. Why...- Daniel_C
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- Lagrangian Lagrangian density Matter Model Standard Standard model
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B How do you find the Lagrangians for different fields?
I am currently studying QFT from this book. I have progressed to the chapter of QED. In the course, the authors have been writing the Lagrangian for different fields as and when necessary. For example, the Lagrangian for the complex scalar field is $$\mathcal{L} \ = \ (\partial ^\mu...- Wrichik Basu
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- Fields Lagrangian Lagrangians Qft
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I Lagrangian for a free particle
In Landau mechanics it's been given that multiple Lagrangians can be defined for a system which differ by a total derivative of a function. This statement is further used for the following discussion. I understand that the term for L has been expanded as a Taylor series but I can't understand...- RohanJ
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- Free particle Lagrangian Particle
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- Forum: High Energy, Nuclear, Particle Physics
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I Missing exponent in "Theoretical Minimum"?
In "The Theoretical Minimum" (the one on classical mechanics), on page 218, the authors write a Lagrangian $$L=\frac m 2 (\dot r^2 +r^2\dot \theta ^2)+\frac {GMm} r$$ They then apply the Euler-Lagrange equation ##\frac d {dt}\frac {dL} {d\dot r}=\frac {dL} {dr}## (I know there should be...- SamRoss
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- Error Exponent Lagrangian Minimum Mistake Theoretical Theoretical minimum
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- Forum: Classical Physics
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I The partial time derivative of Hamiltonian vs Lagrangian
I have been reading a book on classical theoretical physics and it claims: -------------- If a Lagrange function depends on a continuous parameter ##\lambda##, then also the generalized momentum ##p_i = \frac{\partial L}{\partial\dot{q}_i}## depends on ##\lambda##, also the velocity...- erore
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- Derivative Hamiltonian Lagrangian Partial Time Time derivative
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- Forum: Classical Physics
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Find the Lagrangian of an unwinding pendulum
I think my confusion on this is where the best origin for polar coordinates is. I've tried the center of the circle, and note the triangle made from the r coordinate reaching out to ##m, a,## and ##l+a\theta##. Then $$r=\sqrt{a^2+(l+a\theta)^2}$$ $$\dot r = \frac {a(l+a\theta)}...- mishima
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- Lagrangian Pendulum
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- Forum: Calculus and Beyond Homework Help
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What is the logic behind Lagrangian mechanics?
I like using the Euler–Lagrange equations to solve simple mechanical systems, but I'm not perfectly clear on the theory behind it. Is it derived by assuming that action is minimized/stationary? Or does one define a system's Lagrangian according to what makes the Euler–Lagrange equations...- snoopies622
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- Lagrangian Lagrangian mechanics Logic Mechanics
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- Forum: Mechanics
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The Lagrangian for a piece of toast falling over the edge of a table
First of all, disclaimer: This isn't an official assignment or anything, so I'm not even sure if there is a resonably simple solution. Consider the following sketch. (Forgive me if it isn't completely clear, I didn't want to fiddle around for too long with tikz...) Let us assume that we can...- Markus Kahn
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- Edge Equations of motion Euler lagrange equation Falling Lagragian Lagrangian Table
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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Lagrangian and Equations of Motion for Conical Pendulum
Here is a picture of the problem. I have chosen the origin to lie in the middle of the circle around which the mass moves. I have also chosen the z axis to pass through the origin and through the vertex of the right circular cone. The x-axis and y-axis are so that one when curls his or her...- Mason Smith
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- Conical Conical pendulum Equations of motion Lagrangian Motion Pendulum
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I Can the Total Time Derivative Function in the Lagrangian Depend on Velocities?
It's known that the Lagragian is invariant when one adds to it a total time derivative of a function. I was thinking about the possible forms of this function. Could it be a function of ##x,\dot x, \lambda##? Or it should be a function of ##x## only? Here ##x: \ \{x^\mu (\lambda) \}## are the...- kent davidge
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- Lagrangian Term
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I How does calculus of variations handle explicit time dependence in Lagrangian?
If a Lagrangian has explicit time dependence due to the potential changing, or thrust being applied to the object in question, how does calculus of variations handle this? It's easy to get the Lagrange equations from: δL = ∂L/∂x δx + ∂L/∂ẋ δẋ What is not clear is how this works when t is an...- DuckAmuck
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- Lagrangian Time Time dependent
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- Forum: Classical Physics
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ADM field Lagrangian for a source-free electromagnetic field
Homework Statement I am trying to reproduce MTW's ADM version of the field Lagrangian for a source free electromagnetic field: ##4π\mathcal {L} = -\mathcal {E}^i∂A_i/∂t - ∅\mathcal {E}^i{}_{,i} - \frac{1}{2}Nγ^{-\frac{1}{2}}g_{ij}(\mathcal {E}^i\mathcal {E}^i + \mathcal {B}^i\mathcal {B}^i) +...- TerryW
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- Electromagnetic Electromagnetic field Field Lagrangian
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Can Lagrangian Method be Applied to Solve Rocket Motion Equations?
Homework Statement While solving equation of rocket motion with Newton's law in 1-d,I pondered to apply Lagrangian method on this. However, I didn't get correct result. Because I can eliminate last 2nd equation using last equation and get some other equation which is certainly not rockets...- Abhishek11235
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- Classical dynamics Lagranage Lagrangian Motion Rocket Rocket equation Rocket motion
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I Interpreting SM Lagrangian "differential particle" terms
The Standard Model Lagrangian contains terms like these: ##-\partial_\mu \phi^+ \partial_\mu\phi^-## ##-\frac{1}{2}\partial_\nu Z^0_\mu\partial_\nu Z^0_\mu## ##-igc_w\partial_\nu Z^0(W^+_\mu W^-_\nu-W^+_\nu W^-_\mu)## How should one interpret the "derivative particle fields" like...- Seirios
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- Interaction Interpretation Lagrangian Particle Standard model Terms Theoretical physics
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I Einstein-Hilbert Action, Lagrangian Density & Vacuum Fields
From the action ∫Ldt =∫ι√|g|d4x where |g| is the determinant of the metric .and ι the lagrangian density. For gravitational field why is this ι is replaced by the Ricci scaler R which yield field equations in vaccum.(Rij-1/2Rgij)=0 Is it that the lagrangian density corresponding to vacuum is the...- Apashanka
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- Density Lagrangian Lagrangian density Vacuum
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Is it possible to integrate acceleration?
Alright so I was just messing around with Lagrangian equation, I just learned about it, and I had gotten to this equation of motion: Mg*sin{α} - 1.5m*x(double dot)=0 I am trying to get velocity, and my first thought was to integrate with dt, but I didn't know how to. And I'm not even sure it's... -
Lagrangian of a driven pendulum (Landau problem)
Homework Statement There's the following problem (the task is to construct the Lagrangian) in the first Landau (part a): My problem is that I don't understand what did we omit exactly and why. Homework EquationsThe Attempt at a Solution I did the calculation myself (even checked with...- Robin04
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- Lagrangian Pendulum
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- Forum: Advanced Physics Homework Help
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I The Lagrangian and the second derivative?
Why Lagrangian not depend of higher derivatives of generalised coordinates ?- filip97
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- Derivative Lagrangian Second derivative
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Find Lagrangian: Morin's Classical Mechanics Q6.10
Q)6.10 in Morin's Classical Mechanic. All that I have to do is find Lagrangian here. After that only simple motion. Finding Lagrangian: Choose the coordinate system at the centre of hoop as shown in 2nd attachment. Then,I found out Lagrangian of the system. Invoking E-L Equations to find the...- Abhishek11235
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- Lagrangian Motion
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I Yang-Mills Lagrangian: Is ##F^{\mu \nu}F_{\mu \nu}## a Number?
I am sorry for asking this stupid question, but in the Yang-Mills lagrangian, there is a term ##Tr(F^{\mu \nu}F_{\mu \nu})##. Isn't ##F^{\mu \nu}F_{\mu \nu}## a number?- AndrewGRQTF
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- Lagrangian Trace Yang-mills
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A Lagrangian vs pseudo-Lagrangian vs Eulerian
I'm reading up a series of papers on hydrodynamical simulations for galaxies and cosmology. They keep mentioning things like "Lagrangian" or "pseudo-lagrangian" or "Eulerian". I tried looking it up on the internet, but the answers are either too broad and could mean a huge number of things in...- SpaceNerdz
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- hydrodynamics lagrangian simulation
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I Why is √(gμνdxμdxν) the Lagrangian for Geodesic Eq?
From the invariance of space time interval the metric dΓ2=dt2-dx2-dy2-dz2 dΓ2=gμνdxμdxν dΓ=√(gμνvμvμ)dt dΓ=proper time. Can someone please help me in sort out why the term √(gμνdxμdxν) is taken as the Lagrangian,as geodesic equation is solved by taking this to be the Lagrangian.- Apashanka
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- Geodesic Geodesic equation Lagrangian
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I Gaia Space Telescope and Lagrangian Point 2
I'm confused (what else is new) about L2. While watching a video from PBS Digital Spacetime about the latest data drop from Gaia Space Telescope, Matt O'Dowd showed a CGI animation of the telescope leaving Earth then circling/orbiting L2 perpendicular to the Earth/sun plane. I thought that the...- Johnnyallen
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- L2 Lagrangian Point Space Space telescope Telescope
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Question about a derivation: velocity and position
I started studying Lagrangian mechanics, and the movement equation is like this: d/dt (d/dz') L - d/dz L = 0 if the movement is on the z axis. Now the problem is, let's say L = M(z')2/2 - Mgz. How do we derivate an expression depending of z with respect to z' and also , an expression depending... -
A Why Is the Mixed SU(2) Term Invariant in Scalar Multiplet Models?
Consider two arbitrary scalar multiplets ##\Phi## and ##\Psi## invariant under ##SU(2)\times U(1)##. When writing the potential for this model, in addition to the usual terms like ##\Phi^\dagger \Phi + (\Phi^\dagger \Phi)^2##, I often see in the literature, less usual terms like: $$\Phi^\dagger...- Ramtin123
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- Group representations Invariant Lagrangian Quantum field theory Representation theory Su(2)
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