A shell explodes into three fragments of equal masses.

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The problem involves a shell that explodes into three fragments of equal masses, with two fragments traveling at right angles to each other with equal speeds. The question seeks to determine the direction and speed of the third fragment.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the meaning of fragments traveling at right angles and the conservation of momentum. There are attempts to clarify the concept of conservation and its relevance to the problem.

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Participants are exploring the conservation of momentum as a key principle in solving the problem. Some have proposed equations related to momentum and velocity, while others are verifying the correctness of these expressions. The discussion is ongoing with no explicit consensus reached.

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There is a mention of the potential confusion surrounding the term "conserved" and how it relates to physical quantities in the context of the explosion. The problem is framed within a homework setting, suggesting constraints on the type of guidance that can be provided.

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Homework Statement


A shell explodes into three fragments of equal masses. If two fragments travel at right angles to one another with equal speeds, 'v', what is the direction and speed of the third fragment?


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doing ratios?


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i don't know what it mean by two fragments travel at right angles.
 
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Travel at right angles means there is 90 degrees between their paths. For example, one might travel vertically, while the other travels horizontally.

For the question, think about what quantity will be conserved.
 


BruceW said:
Travel at right angles means there is 90 degrees between their paths. For example, one might travel vertically, while the other travels horizontally.

For the question, think about what quantity will be conserved.

what does conserved really mean cause when i hear the word conserved i think of something being stored
 


In physics, it roughly means 'stays the same'. Is this homework set by your teacher? Name me some quantities that you think might be conserved in this situation.
 


p=mv?
 


Yes, that's the one! You might also think of energy, but when the shell explodes it turns an unknown amount of chemical energy into kinetic energy, so energy conservation doesn't help us here.

So you're right to think of momentum conservation. After the shell explodes, there are 3 pieces, so you need to think of the equation for the total momentum due to several objects.
 


BruceW said:
Yes, that's the one! You might also think of energy, but when the shell explodes it turns an unknown amount of chemical energy into kinetic energy, so energy conservation doesn't help us here.

So you're right to think of momentum conservation. After the shell explodes, there are 3 pieces, so you need to think of the equation for the total momentum due to several objects.

i got the velocity to be v2= root square of v^2(m1^2+m2^2) / m3

and the angle to be tan^-1 ( m2/m1)

am i right?
 


jasonbans said:
i got the velocity to be v2= root square of v^2(m1^2+m2^2) / m3

and the angle to be tan^-1 ( m2/m1)

am i right?

The angle is right. I'm not totally sure I understand what your answer for the velocity is supposed to look like... Does it mean:
v_{third} = \frac{ \sqrt{v^2(m_1^2+m_2^2)} }{m_3}
If this is what you meant, then yes, you've got this right as well.

The next step is to use the knowledge that all the masses are the same.
 


ok thank you for the help!
 

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