Aceleration & tension in a system involving pulley

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving tension, acceleration, friction, and a pulley system. The original poster is exploring how the inclusion of a frictionless pulley affects the acceleration of the system, while attempting to apply relevant equations of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the system using free body diagrams and Newton's laws, questioning how to incorporate the pulley into their calculations. Some participants suggest considering the motion of the pulley and the resulting torque, while others discuss the implications of differing tensions on either side of the pulley.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and prompting further exploration of the concepts involved. There is an emphasis on understanding the role of the pulley and the relationship between the tensions in the system.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem without complete information about the system's parameters, such as the effects of friction and the masses involved. The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to proceed with the analysis of the pulley.

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1. Homework Statement

I am stuck on this problem involving tension, acceleration of a system, friction and a pulley. I have an idea of how to find the acceleration of the system neglecting the mass of the pulley, but it is not the solution. How does adding a frictionless pulley in the system change its acceleration?

Homework Equations


F=ma
torque = I(alpha)
rotational equations?

The Attempt at a Solution


For the tension T1 from the pulley disk downwards to mass m, the tension is mg.
For the tension T2 from the mass M rightward to the pulley disk, would the tension be equal to T1?

I drew FBD's for the two masses.
For M, by applying Newton's 2nd Law, Fnet=Ma: T2-f = Ma
For m, applying F=ma: mg-T1 = ma

I know the acceleration of the system should be equal. But how do I incorporate the pulley disk in the system to find the acceleration of the system?

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You draw free body diagrams for both blocks and the pulley ... hint: what sort of motion does the pulley undergo?
 
So the pulley disk is rotating. The string wraps around the top of the disk, and it rotates in the same direction as the acceleration of the two blocks (the same way the string is moving). Would this be a torque force acting on pulley disk? Because the force on the disk by the string is perpendicular to the radius?
 
The disk must be accelerating (unless the rope is slipping) so there must be an unbalanced torque in the direction of the acceleration.
The free body diagram for the pulley has two forces on it - from each straight section of string.
The forces produce opposing torques. The tension on either side of the pulley will be different.
 
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So the tension on the left side of the pulley would be the tension caused by the frictional force acting on M, and the tension on the right side of the pulley would be caused by the weight of m? (They are in opposite directions)
 
As far as the free body diagram of the pulley is concerned, there is no mass m or mass M.
Just write in T1 and T2 for the two tensions ... they come from the interactions between parts of the overall system.
 

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