Air Resistance and Projectile Motion

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The discussion revolves around the analysis of an object ejected vertically with an initial velocity, considering the effects of gravity and air resistance. Participants explore the time to reach maximum elevation under different conditions, specifically comparing scenarios with and without a retarding force.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of differential equations to determine time to maximum elevation, with some attempting to expand results using series expansions. Questions arise regarding the application of limits and the behavior of functions as parameters approach zero.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into using L'Hôpital's rule to resolve indeterminate forms, while others have identified algebraic errors in their calculations. The conversation reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the mathematical approach without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to carefully consider the limits of parameters in the equations, particularly the behavior as the retarding force approaches zero, which is central to the discussion.

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Homework Statement



An object is ejected straight up into the air at an initial velocity v0.
(a) Determine the time for reaching the maximal elevation when the object is subject
to gravity alone.
(b) Determine the time for reaching the maximal elevation when the object is subject
to gravity combined with a retarding force of the form kmv.
(c) Carefully expand your result from 1b to determine that it agrees with 1a in the
limit of k approaching 0.
(d) On the basis of the expansion 1c decide whether the retarding force extends or
shortens the time to reach the maximal elevation.

Homework Equations



Fz=maz
Fz=-mg
Fz=-mkv

The Attempt at a Solution



I had no real trouble with part a and b

For a I got tmax=v0/g

for b I had to use a 2nd order Diff Eq and I got tmax=(2/k) ln([kv0/g]-1)

for part c I tried using a Maclaurin polynomial for my result t(k)...(t as a function of k) for part b around k=0. However I was unable to do the expansion as I could not find the value of t(0)... (this is the value for the time as calculated in part b as k approaches zero) I tried using a limit to evaluate the value, but couldn't figure it out. Any ideas?
Thanks
 
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If you put k=0, you will get a 0/0 form,
So, you can apply L' Hospital Rule!
 
Yes, I thought of that at first, but actually you get ln(-1)/0
and natural log(-1) = 3.14159265 i
 
AlexChandler said:
for b I had to use a 2nd order Diff Eq and I got tmax=(2/k) ln([kv0/g]-1)

Show your work. You have to solve a first-order equation to get the time of maximal elevation.

ehild
 
F=ma. In vertical dimension (z) with up as positive
-kmv-mg=ma
-kmz'-mg=mz"
z"+kz'= -g
this is the second order diff eq I solved to find a function z(t)
I then set z'(t)=0 and solved for the time t at which z is max
this led me to the solution I posted.
 
Haha I suppose it would be first order.
v'+kv=-g
Since I don't even really need the position function.
Is this the first order you were talking about?
 
Ahh yes have solved the problem. Made a small algebraic mistake a few steps ago. The formula for Tmax turned out to be much simpler to expand. Actually, I was able to use l'Hôpital's rule! (that is... Bernoulli's rule). Thanks for your help.
 

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