Area of Polar Curve: Find r = 1 + 2cos(θ)

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The discussion revolves around finding the area inside the inner loop of the limacon curve defined by the polar equation r = 1 + 2cos(θ). Participants are exploring the necessary parameters for integration to calculate this area.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to determine the limits of integration (α and β) for the area calculation. Questions arise regarding the graphical representation of the polar and Cartesian forms of the curve. Some participants express confusion about the values of r within the inner loop and the implications of negative r values.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct limits for integration, with some participants suggesting methods to find these values. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the polar and Cartesian graphs, and the significance of solving the equation 1 + 2cos(θ) = 0. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed, particularly concerning the area calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that they have not covered Cartesian graphs for such curves in class, which may limit their understanding of the problem. There is also mention of the unusual nature of r values on the inner loop, specifically regarding negative values.

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Homework Statement



Find the area inside the inner loop of the limacon curve : r = 1 + 2cos(θ)

Homework Equations



A = ∫\stackrel{α}{β}(\frac{1}{2}r2)dθ

The Attempt at a Solution



i have the solution, my question is : how do you find α and β ?
here α = 2π/3 and β = π

A = 2∫\stackrel{2π/3}{π}(\frac{1}{2}r2)dθ
 
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aub said:

Homework Statement



Find the area inside the inner loop of the limacon curve : r = 1 + 2cos(θ)

Homework Equations



A = ∫\stackrel{α}{β}(\frac{1}{2}r2)dθ

The Attempt at a Solution



i have the solution, my question is : how do you find α and β ?
here α = 2π/3 and β = π

A = 2∫\stackrel{2π/3}{π}(\frac{1}{2}r2)dθ
Have done the polar graph of r = 1 + 2cos(θ)?

Have you done the Cartesian graph ?
 
SammyS said:
Have done the polar graph of r = 1 + 2cos(θ)?

Have you done the Cartesian graph ?

i did the polar one, i can see that its tangent to 2∏/3 on the origin but i can't get the point if there is any

and for the cartesian one, we never did that in class for those curves..


what were you hinting about?

thanks
 
aub said:
i did the polar one, i can see that its tangent to 2∏/3 on the origin but i can't get the point if there is any

and for the cartesian one, we never did that in class for those curves..

what were you hinting about?

thanks
You need to find the range of θ values that correspond to the inner loop, correct?

Looking at both graphs might help. Also, solving
1+2cos(θ) = 0​
for θ might help.

What is unusual about the values of r on the inner loop?
 
SammyS said:
You need to find the range of θ values that correspond to the inner loop, correct?

Looking at both graphs might help. Also, solving
1+2cos(θ) = 0​
for θ might help.

yeah, i thought what i need to do is solving for θ, it gave me α = 2∏/3 and β = 4∏/3 and i here i don't need to multiply the integral by 2 anymore.. I am lost :mad:

SammyS said:
What is unusual about the values of r on the inner loop

do you mean the symmetry?
 
also, if anyone can help me to find the area of the region R between the inner loop and outer loop
what would be α and β ?
 
i guess i got it just tell me if its right

so for the area of the inner loop A1, α = 2∏/3 and β = 4∏/3 and i apply the formula

for the area between the inner loop, i find the whole area with α = 0 and β = 2π then substract A1
 
SammyS said:
What is unusual about the values of r on the inner loop?
aub said:
do you mean the symmetry?
No. For \displaystyle \frac{2\pi}{3}<\theta<\frac{4\pi}{3}\,, 1 + 2cos(θ) is negative, so r is negative.
 
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