AZING!Acceleration Through a Curve: How to Calculate and Understand It

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To calculate acceleration while a car changes direction by 90 degrees at a constant speed of 200 m/s over 20 seconds, centripetal acceleration must be considered. The initial calculations using linear acceleration components were incorrect, as they did not account for the constant radius of the curve. The correct centripetal acceleration formula is a_c = v^2/r, but without the radius, it complicates the calculation. Using angular relationships, the centripetal acceleration can be derived as a_c = 5π. The discussion emphasizes the importance of understanding the nature of acceleration in circular motion, particularly how components change with time.
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If a car gradually changes a direction of 90 degrees at constant speed of 200 m/s over a time period of 20 seconds, then what is the accelleration?

I don't know if the way I worked it was correct. I think the only assumption is that the acceleration is constant.

a_x=\frac{v_xf-v_xi}{t}=\frac{0-200}{20}=-10
a_y=\frac{v_yf-v_yi}{t}=\frac{200-0}{20}=10
a=\sqrt{a_x^2+a_y^2}=\sqrt{(-10)^2+10^2}=10\sqrt{2}

Does this seem right to you?
 
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NotMrX said:
If a car gradually changes a direction of 90 degrees at constant speed of 200 m/s over a time period of 20 seconds, then what is the accelleration?

I don't know if the way I worked it was correct. I think the only assumption is that the acceleration is constant.

a_x=\frac{v_xf-v_xi}{t}=\frac{0-200}{20}=-10
a_y=\frac{v_yf-v_yi}{t}=\frac{200-0}{20}=10
a=\sqrt{a_x^2+a_y^2}=\sqrt{(-10)^2+10^2}=10\sqrt{2}

Does this seem right to you?
No. Assume it is a curve of constant radius. Work out the centripetal acceleration. Is there any tangential acceleration here? Take the vector sum of both accelerations.

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
No. Assume it is a curve of constant radius. Work out the centripetal acceleration. Is there any tangential acceleration here? Take the vector sum of both accelerations.

AM
How would someone do that if the radius isn't given? I understand that
a_c=\frac{v^2}{r}
but if there is no r value it seems hard to figure out the centripetal acceleration?
 
NotMrX said:
How would someone do that if the radius isn't given? I understand that
a_c=\frac{v^2}{r}
but if there is no r value it seems hard to figure out the centripetal acceleration?
Use \theta = \omega t and v = \omega R

AM
 
Andrew Mason said:
Use \theta = \omega t and v = \omega R

AM

a_c=\frac{v^2}{r}=\frac{v^2}{v/\omega}=v*\omega=v*\frac{\theta}{t}=200*\frac{\pi/2}{20}=5\pi

Thanks for the help. How come the other way didn't work?
 
NotMrX said:
a_c=\frac{v^2}{r}=\frac{v^2}{v/\omega}=v*\omega=v*\frac{\theta}{t}=200*\frac{\pi/2}{20}=5\pi

Thanks for the help. How come the other way didn't work?
Because \sqrt{2} \ne \pi/2. Close but not the same.

You will notice that the components do not change uniformly with time - it depends on the angle. You are taking the sum of the time average of each component over a quarter turn. Averages over time will be different than the instantaneous value unless the rate of change is uniform over time.

AM
 
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