Bernoulli's equation to find the flow rate

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around applying Bernoulli's equation to determine the flow rate of water through a horizontal pipe with varying diameters and pressures at each end. The problem involves fluid dynamics concepts, specifically the relationship between pressure, velocity, and cross-sectional area in a flowing fluid.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to calculate velocities using Bernoulli's equation and the continuity equation, questioning the validity of their results based on pressure differences. Some express uncertainty about the sufficiency of information provided.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between velocities and pressures, with some participants providing guidance on using the continuity equation to establish connections between variables. Multiple interpretations of the equations and their applications are being discussed, but no consensus on a final solution has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential issues with units and the need for clarity in defining flow rate, as well as the implications of the assumptions made regarding the fluid's behavior in the pipe.

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Homework Statement


" A horizontal water pipe has a radius of 10 cm and a pressure of 8*10^4 Pa at one end. At the other end the radius is 5 cm and the pressure is 6*10^4 Pa. What is the water flow rate through this pipe?

Homework Equations


P1 + 0.5 * ρ * v1^2 + h1ρg = P2 + 0.5 * ρ * v2^2 + h2ρg[/B]
A1 v1 = A2 v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to calculate each velocity individually,
V1= 2P/ρ = 2(8*10^4)/1000= 12.65
V2= 2(6*10^4)/1000 = 10.95
Which means that this is not true since v2 must be bigger considering the pressure dropped. So I tried this law:
P1-P2= 0.5 ρ ( v2^2 -v1^2)
The answer : (v2^2-v1^2) = 40
So I tried to plug it in with the equation Q= Av
(15*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 40
But it still didn't seem right
 
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Sall1230 said:

Homework Statement


" A horizontal water pipe has a radius of 10 cm and a pressure of 8*10^4 Pa at one end. At the other end the radius is 5 cm and the pressure is 6*10^4 Pa. What is the water flow rate through this pipe?

Homework Equations


P1 + 0.5 * ρ * v12 + h1ρg = P2 + 0.5 * ρ * v22 + h2ρg[/B]
A1 v1 = A2 v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to calculate each velocity individually,
V1= 2P/ρ = 2(8*104)/1000= 12.65
V2= 2(6*104)/1000 = 10.95

You can't do this because there isn't enough information.
Which means that this is not true since v2 must be bigger considering the pressure dropped. So I tried this law:
P1-P2= 0.5 ρ ( v22 -v12)
This is the result of actually applying the Bernoulli equation to this pipe.
The answer : (v22-v12) = 40
This is also correct.
So I tried to plug it in with the equation Q= Av
(15*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 40
But it still didn't seem right
This is where you went off the rails.

You use the continuity equation, A1 v1 = A2 v2, to find a relationship between v1 and v2. Once that relationship is established, then you can solve

(v22-v12) = 40

for v1 or v2, depending on your choice. Once the flow velocity is found, then the flow rate can be calculated.
 
SteamKing said:
You can't do this because there isn't enough information.

This is the result of actually applying the Bernoulli equation to this pipe.

This is also correct.

This is where you went off the rails.

You use the continuity equation, A1 v1 = A2 v2, to find a relationship between v1 and v2. Once that relationship is established, then you can solve

(v22-v12) = 40

for v1 or v2, depending on your choice. Once the flow velocity is found, then the flow rate can be calculated.

Ok so:
v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
A1 v1 = A2 v2
(10*10^-2)^2 v1 = ( 5*10^-2)^2 v2
0.01 v1 = 0.025 v2
v2 = 4 v1
Putting it in the equation v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
(4v1)^2 - v1^2 = 40
16v1^2 - v1^2 = 40
15v1^2 = 40
v1^2 = 40/15
v1= 1.632 m/s
Q= Av
Q= (10*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 1.632
Q= 0.0512 kg/m^3

Is my way correct?
 
Sall1230 said:
Ok so:
v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
A1 v1 = A2 v2
(10*10^-2)^2 v1 = ( 5*10^-2)^2 v2
0.01 v1 = 0.025 v2
v2 = 4 v1
Putting it in the equation v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
(4v1)^2 - v1^2 = 40
16v1^2 - v1^2 = 40
15v1^2 = 40
v1^2 = 40/15
v1= 1.632 m/s
Q= Av
Q= (10*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 1.632
Q= 0.0512 kg/m^3

Is my way correct?
Yes, except 0.0512 kg/m3 is not a flow rate, at least it doesn't have the correct units.

Remember, v1 has units of m/s.
 

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