Bernoulli's equation to find the flow rate

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flow rate of water through a horizontal pipe using Bernoulli's equation and the continuity equation. The initial calculations for velocities at both ends of the pipe were incorrect due to insufficient information. The correct approach involves establishing a relationship between the velocities using the continuity equation, leading to the conclusion that v2 is four times v1. The final calculations yield a velocity for v1 of 1.632 m/s, but the resulting flow rate of 0.0512 kg/m³ is incorrect as it does not have the proper units for flow rate. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying fluid dynamics principles to solve for flow rates.
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Homework Statement


" A horizontal water pipe has a radius of 10 cm and a pressure of 8*10^4 Pa at one end. At the other end the radius is 5 cm and the pressure is 6*10^4 Pa. What is the water flow rate through this pipe?

Homework Equations


P1 + 0.5 * ρ * v1^2 + h1ρg = P2 + 0.5 * ρ * v2^2 + h2ρg[/B]
A1 v1 = A2 v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to calculate each velocity individually,
V1= 2P/ρ = 2(8*10^4)/1000= 12.65
V2= 2(6*10^4)/1000 = 10.95
Which means that this is not true since v2 must be bigger considering the pressure dropped. So I tried this law:
P1-P2= 0.5 ρ ( v2^2 -v1^2)
The answer : (v2^2-v1^2) = 40
So I tried to plug it in with the equation Q= Av
(15*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 40
But it still didn't seem right
 
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Sall1230 said:

Homework Statement


" A horizontal water pipe has a radius of 10 cm and a pressure of 8*10^4 Pa at one end. At the other end the radius is 5 cm and the pressure is 6*10^4 Pa. What is the water flow rate through this pipe?

Homework Equations


P1 + 0.5 * ρ * v12 + h1ρg = P2 + 0.5 * ρ * v22 + h2ρg[/B]
A1 v1 = A2 v2

The Attempt at a Solution


I tried to calculate each velocity individually,
V1= 2P/ρ = 2(8*104)/1000= 12.65
V2= 2(6*104)/1000 = 10.95

You can't do this because there isn't enough information.
Which means that this is not true since v2 must be bigger considering the pressure dropped. So I tried this law:
P1-P2= 0.5 ρ ( v22 -v12)
This is the result of actually applying the Bernoulli equation to this pipe.
The answer : (v22-v12) = 40
This is also correct.
So I tried to plug it in with the equation Q= Av
(15*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 40
But it still didn't seem right
This is where you went off the rails.

You use the continuity equation, A1 v1 = A2 v2, to find a relationship between v1 and v2. Once that relationship is established, then you can solve

(v22-v12) = 40

for v1 or v2, depending on your choice. Once the flow velocity is found, then the flow rate can be calculated.
 
SteamKing said:
You can't do this because there isn't enough information.

This is the result of actually applying the Bernoulli equation to this pipe.

This is also correct.

This is where you went off the rails.

You use the continuity equation, A1 v1 = A2 v2, to find a relationship between v1 and v2. Once that relationship is established, then you can solve

(v22-v12) = 40

for v1 or v2, depending on your choice. Once the flow velocity is found, then the flow rate can be calculated.

Ok so:
v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
A1 v1 = A2 v2
(10*10^-2)^2 v1 = ( 5*10^-2)^2 v2
0.01 v1 = 0.025 v2
v2 = 4 v1
Putting it in the equation v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
(4v1)^2 - v1^2 = 40
16v1^2 - v1^2 = 40
15v1^2 = 40
v1^2 = 40/15
v1= 1.632 m/s
Q= Av
Q= (10*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 1.632
Q= 0.0512 kg/m^3

Is my way correct?
 
Sall1230 said:
Ok so:
v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
A1 v1 = A2 v2
(10*10^-2)^2 v1 = ( 5*10^-2)^2 v2
0.01 v1 = 0.025 v2
v2 = 4 v1
Putting it in the equation v2^2 - v1^2 = 40
(4v1)^2 - v1^2 = 40
16v1^2 - v1^2 = 40
15v1^2 = 40
v1^2 = 40/15
v1= 1.632 m/s
Q= Av
Q= (10*10^-2)^2 * 3.14 * 1.632
Q= 0.0512 kg/m^3

Is my way correct?
Yes, except 0.0512 kg/m3 is not a flow rate, at least it doesn't have the correct units.

Remember, v1 has units of m/s.
 
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