Bode phase plots and initial angles of transfer functions

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The discussion focuses on determining the initial phase angle of the transfer function L(s) = 4/(s(0.4s+1)(s+2)), which is established as -90 degrees. A key insight shared is that a negative sign in the numerator results in adding 180 degrees to the phase, while the degree of the denominator influences phase subtraction. Participants emphasize understanding the argument of complex numbers and the behavior of angles as frequency approaches zero.

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  • Understanding of transfer functions in control systems
  • Familiarity with complex numbers and their arguments
  • Knowledge of Bode phase plots
  • Basic concepts of frequency response analysis
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  • Study the calculation of phase angles in transfer functions
  • Learn about the properties of complex numbers, specifically arg(z1 z2) and arg(z1/z2)
  • Explore the impact of frequency on phase angles in Bode plots
  • Investigate techniques for simplifying transfer functions for phase analysis
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Students preparing for exams in control systems, engineers working with transfer functions, and anyone interested in mastering Bode phase plot analysis.

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Hello everyone. So I have a test coming up and I am struggling with the concept of figure out what the initial phase or angle of a transfer function is. For instance, consider the following transfer function:

L(s) = 4/s(.4s+1)(s+2)

So the initial angle for L(s) is -90 degrees. Is there a simple trick for figuring that out given any transfer function? I have heard that if there is a negative in the numerator then you add 180 degrees of phase or depending on the degree of the denominator you would subtract phase.

Can someone help me sort this out?
 
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vysero said:
Is there a simple trick for figuring that out given any transfer function?
I assume you mean this function:
L(s) = 4/(s(.4s+1)(s+2))

Some thoughts to help you get to the answer:

Say you have two complex numbers z1 and z2, what is arg(z1 z2) and arg(z1/z2) in terms of arg(z1) and arg(z2)?

What happens to the angle of each factor in the denominator as s = jω, ω → 0?
 

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