Calculate W for Point Charge Configuration

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work (W) required to assemble a configuration of point charges, starting from an initial state where the charges are infinitely far apart. The subject area includes electrostatics and potential energy associated with point charges.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work and potential energy, with some attempting to derive expressions for W based on the contributions from individual charges. Questions arise regarding the correct approach to account for all charge pairs and the implications of signs in the equations.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct formula to use for calculating work, with some participants suggesting that total work should consider all pairs of charges. Guidance is provided on how to sum the potential energy contributions from each distinct pair of charges.

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Participants are working under the assumption that the potential energy is zero at infinity and are discussing the implications of this for calculating work. There is mention of needing to clarify the contributions from multiple charge pairs, as well as the potential energy formula used.

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If you calculate W, the amount of work it took to assemble this charge configuration if the point charges were initially infinitely far apart, you will find that the contribution for each charge is proportional to {kq^2}/{L}. In the space provided, enter the numeric value that multiplies the above factor, in W. (See Picture Below)

delta U= -W
delta U= q*delta V

I tried using this idea but my answers are wrong. Like for charge A I got delta V= kq/sqrt(2)*L
or delta U= kq^2/sqrt(2)*L thus W = -kq^2/sqrt(2)*L

But the work for charge A equals 0. So what am I doing wrong?

Thanks
Stephen
 

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StephenDoty said:
I tried using this idea but my answers are wrong. Like for charge A I got delta V= kq/sqrt(2)*L
or delta U= kq^2/sqrt(2)*L thus W = -kq^2/sqrt(2)*L
This only considers the charge pairs that include A. (Why the negative sign?)

To find the total work done you must consider every pair of charges: A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, and so on.
 
W=-delta*U

So what formula do I need to use?
 
the total potential energy=2kq^2/L

so would the work=-2kq^2/L?
 
StephenDoty said:
the total potential energy=2kq^2/L

so would the work=-2kq^2/L?
How did you determine this value for PE?

As I'm sure you know, the potential energy between two charges separated by a distance r = kq_1q_2/r. Not that the PE is zero at infinity, thus the work done to move these two particles from infinity to a distance r is just kq_1q_2/r (no need for a negative sign).

To find the total potential energy for all four particles, add up the potential energy contribution of each pair of charges. List each distinct pair (there are six) and its potential energy.
 
http://www.physics.umd.edu/courses/Phys260/agashe/S09/solutions/HW11.pdf
 
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